Riven is a case of the designer going way overboard on her abilities simply because "she's melee and somehow that's a huge disadvantage!" Darius is a tamer example of this. This leads to Riven's laning being impossible to counter even at range thanks to dashes ignoring slows and oftentimes stuns and snares.

Does she fall off after laning? Most certainly. Does the same thing happen to Renekton minus the laning strength? Yup. Does Renekton needs buffs? Ya.

Honestly you should remake this thread in the TT forum. Riven completely throws games on that map because she never falls off. But thanks to her statistical average win/loss ratio on SR, she will not get changed. Just the way it goes.

Other then Olaf, hard CC ruins everyone's day.

Someone here hasn't played Garen before.

Also, good to know what to pick next time I see Fdru in queue!

(she's pretty dang strong, but hardly OP on dominion since she doesn't have a laning phase to bully people around in.)

The part i highlighted is something I find increasingly frustrating about this game. Just about every melee champ has better move speed than ranged champs on top of gap closers that equal the harass range of most ranged champs. I feel riot has overvalued range as an advantage.

Riven often does either amazing, or ends with a pretty crappy score. But due to all the CC, even if she does crappy she gives you a hard time.

Also, what do you HATE HATE HATE? Riven, or comparing her to other mana-less champions?

Also, the comparison to Renekton/Shyvana/Trynd/Morde/etc. is a bit more problematic, since mana-less is not the same as resource-less, of which there are a lot less. Though Fury is "optional".

And then you try and face a good Vayne as Yi and see how much range actually does help.

The burden of skill is on Vayne. If she misplays by either not stunning with condemn or using tumble without stealth Yi can easily close the gap with both Highlander and Alpha Strike.

Anyway, back on topic. Sauron is correct, Riven just has an average win rate on SR, so I doubt she will see changes soon.

riven is ultra squishy, unless she builds tanky, in which case she cant faceroll quite so much

is she a high teir champion? yes
is she OP? no

learn to counter, build armor if she is glass cannon, if she isnt glass cannon, there are probably more suitable targets to focus

also dont try to 1v1 riven, judging by your primary issues im thinking you tried to 1v1 her, realized you couldnt, attempted to snare her, got owned again, and preceded to run, bbut you cant outrun wind slash...which scales off of your missing HP, it can only be used to finish weak enemies, not like its a nuke she always has

Point is that you can't really do anything vs a good Vayne as Yi. Fixing this though results in the low mobility carries getting shredded. :X

On SR where combat is linear and there's a tower on either end, a decent bit of range can be a hell of an advantage. On TT or Dom where the combat takes place away from the towers (or the towers just have **** range) it's not really much of an advantage...


On topic: I believe Xyph admitted he built riven specifically to counter Irelia, and that kind of skewed her kit - honestly she is a bit on the 'numbers are balanced, kit is ridiculous' side of things.

However, comparing her to other manaless champions is pretty pointless, as Garen, Renekton, Trynd and Shyv all have kits that revolve heavily around the laning/jungle phase of SR - they all require a lot of extra autoattacks to use their abilities to the fullest. (And Trynd also suffers from his ult being central to his kit, but way too long of cooldown for this mode).