I've seen trolling in the chat rooms but not in a game yet.

Considering Dota 2 is in beta, your argument about trolls/ragequitters is totally invalid if not the exact opposite. Very few trolls in betas; just wait till it's released and you get them starting a match and then afking and leaving. Will be incredibly easy for them with no penalty, don't you think?

Plus, I hadn't seen hardly any server downtime before this whole fiasco. The usual one patch a week was never a problem.

I've had two experience that twice in ranked ... with the leaver being on MY team each time.

It doesn't matter how much better a game is if more people play the other game anyway.

I knew you guys would pick a small point to attack and ignore all the good logic in my post. So let me explain it again for yall.

Lol mechanics promote trolling. You can't leave game without getting reported by the troll. You have 'mid or I feed' mindsets showing up all over the place. Cause what are u gonna do? Quit and get banned?

This is a small example so don't take these as dogmatic law.

Dota2 says to hell with trolls. You wana feed? Cool. I'm out.

You wanna rage quit? Cool I can leave game without penalty. I'm not subjected to an hour of rape just cause I don't want to get banned.

And if you do rage and I still want to play, after you disco, I can control your hero.

Oh yeah this is a big one.

Afk in the game queue? In lol you get randomed Nd your team suffers.

In dota, you get dropped and the team gets requeued. No 5v4 from the start

No penalties? Then what's the point? Does that mean players are more or less willing to play a whole game? I'd be less willing really.. Then again, I don't know how DoTa works.

You could do the same thing in Lol, but you need a "smart" team and a chat record in case your reported. I mean, if you warn the enemy team after discussing a whole team quit, and the enemy team plays for five-ten minutes, pushing furiously and unchallenged, you think they'd stay? I mean, if they want a "WIN" on their stupid match history record, then sure... But really, if people of this community can put out some kind of "rule system" like this, then there could be the quitting with no penalty easy. also, people won't need to waste at least 20 minutes playing for no reason if you, and team, aren't trying. 4v5 isn't that unfair, depending on how well your team plays vs. theirs.

But like countless others have said, as well as I, just suck it up. You'd get bad games, even miserable games, but don't bother yourself with it. Really, don't waste your time. Watch T.V. while playing the miserable game. If you aren't in-tuned to the game, what's the point? If the majority of your team finally wants to surrender, then surrender. If not, don't act as if you're trying your hardest to win if you've really just given up hope.

Yes we are aware the community is a bunch of **** head cry baby trolls and losers who quee games and leave before it even starts.
I played for two days straight once, by straight i mean like 11am to 12midnight or whatever and i only got 3 5v5 PROPER COMPLETE games over two days... Yep its not just you being a cry baby, its the players of this game being useless

yeah that wouldnt really work tho cuz think about it that new person that comes in would be comin in late so theyd be behind in levels and theyd be really easy to kill until they caught their level up so it would be really hard for them not to feed and chances are even if they did catch up and you guys win those people wouldve still fed when they first started ya know like think of it this way, it happens to everyone, like something happens while your playing, you dc from pvp.net, or your laptop over heats and then you rc as fast as possible (which if your laptop overheats and forces shutdown it can take a while to rc) then when you come back you have a nice chunk of gold but your still behind lvls and if this has happened to you then you know how super careful you have to be to not feed until you catch your lvl up and you know how hard people hit you until you catch up, thats why i like the idea of the option to restart and replace the leaver then play a whole, fair, game. They should make it something like a voting system like when you surrender like both teams vote and say 6/9 votes to restart so like all 4 people left on your team then at least 2 votes from the other team which idk bout you guys if i was on a full team and the other team needed my vote to restart and have a fair match i would give em my vote every time, cuz i would rather win fairly then fee like i almost cheated in a way

I've been experiencing this alot recently