On the issue Solo queue/Duo Voting system:

As Riot have witnessed in certain game behavior, 4 people sometimes will try to kick out the 5th person not because the 5th person is a troll, but because the first 4 people believe the 5th person will drag down their ranking or affect their game play negatively. Also as we have seen on some of our regional servers, some players spent a lot of their time research their teammate’s rating. They utilized scripts, hacked client, etc. to accomplish this goal. So giving them a voting system there will be a high chance they will use it for some other purpose.

Before I was talking about “Season 1 Premade”, which is also a ranked mode that still exists in some regional servers (that affect millions of players). While I assume you are referring to “premade” in its general sense. So here is the issue with premades (in the general sense of the word) with the voting system. For SR ranked solo/duo, it will take 2 premade group of two players to control the vote, while in TT it will take 1 premade group.

Also think how will such voting system affect our top 10% or bottom 10% of players.. they get matched to each other quite often, there will be some implications there.

On the issue of discrimination:

In real life, discrimination because of surname is not a new practice. It’s so common that members of some minorities have taken to changing theirs in order to improve their economic prospects. In LoL, what prevents this system gets abused because the summoner's name contains certain religion, racial or culture reference? Please remember LoL is a global game, and our platform deployed not just in NA but also in EU, Asia, and South America.

What is Riot doing about champion select:

This problem you are trying to solve is a big problem, there is no one single solution that can solve it. Riot are building few features right now to combat this issue. Unfortunately I can't give you any details until a later date when it is ready for public preview.

lol @ people who think this boot option will work.

Accept the facts, Riot will never implement this system. ^

Here is how I think things would work better for ranked.

First thing when you enter a ranked game you are placed in a team of 5 people to discuss your tactics and get along. You have 5-55 minutes to do so ( time is irrelevant for me, riot can figure it out ). If you don't like someone or think he is a troll you can leave and get in a next group of 5 people, without penalty. Also you have ability to mark one person in your last group as a troll. If someone gets enough marks he is banned for trolling.

Once you figured your tactics, you get matched against another 5 man group and after that you have draft pick, and all other stuff that usually comes. If someone leaves once other team is found, he gets a penalty.

So this would pretty much nullify the randomness and stress of 90 seconds "get along" period and turn it into a more civilized way of solving team issues.

Sure game matching time would increase a bit but I am willing to wait 30 minutes for a really good team that gets along just fine, rather than play a 30 minute game and surrender because of trolls/leavers/afkers/*******.

Riot just think about it, this is after all a pvp game that is strictly team oriented. Why wont you let people get along and organize before they get into a match?

P.s. if someone leaves from your current team, your other members stay put and substitution is found in short time. Way better than reforming group which leads to possible matching with more idiots than you were formerly matched with.

Thats just my way of looking at team play, well at life too. Compromise and agreement is all that counts.

Cheers!

You can come up with a million and one ways any system is bad. Discrimination? Your game is riffled with it from people names to chat to the forums. Add the report option to champ select if you feel that that is a problem there.

Premade worries? Rather then worry about guy that was just saved from having a game with four *******s, worry about the guy that they felt was decent enough and then had a bad game.

A flawed system would at least exist and I'd wager prevent more trolling then it caused. What's the ratio of 3-4 man premades compared to troll picks/rage at "you stole my ad" people?

Thanks for the reply @Riotkiddington but here is my rebuttal once more.

I have played over 1,000 ranked games and I believe that is enough for my opinion on this issue so here i go.

Regarding kicking a 5th person for no reason, that still has to go through all the 4 votes out of 5. No matter what you do, you will always have that 5th person no matter what if you kick that other 5th person. I doubt this will go on because most of the time that i played, that 5th role usually fills the role what is left. And when the 5th person calls a role saying Top,Mid, or Adc, sometimes it goes through but we all know in LOL community that 5th pick usually has really no say in what they wanna pick unless there is someone ahead of that 5th person to pick support. Out of the over 1,000 games that I've played in ranked, also most trolls came out of the 5th position. We will always have that negative thought of the 5th pick but veteran ranked players know once you are stuck in that 5th position, you are there to fill. Only trolls or newly ranked players will be stubborn and say anything besides support!

This kick option is also to give people who are stubborn to let them know the unspoken rules regarding champ select. This system also can give more cohesion if you think about it because once people know if the kick option is in place during Solo or Duo ranked ques, they will abide by this unspoken rule efficiently because if they rebel, they know they will get kicked. I'm not saying that 5th pick is always bad because I come across alot of 5th picks who types saying "I'll fill in what is left." So don't get the idea that all 5th picks are bad.

Now with the other regional servers that have different system of ranked, Why don't you Riot unify the gameplay that is the same with North American region? Why do we have different systems in other regions that NA region can't have? Doesn't this give way for discrimination also? Also in NA region I really haven't seen any type of discrimination during champ select at all. I only seen in during ingame where if someone feeds or goes afk, then some people get mad and call them names. I don't know why you keep bringing this discrimination issue up when you got bigger problems at hand.

Also with other regions having different LOL features, then why not put this system in NA region then? If not then make all servers have the same features regarding LOL.

I've also mentioned that the kick feature will be only initiated by the CAPTAINS only and having 4 votes out of 5 to kick. This leaves less room for abuse and IF the captain was trolling, we can have the second person in line for kicking the captain. I'm sure there can be different methods of the kick option but @Riotkiddington, do you think we are having a great online play right now with all the trolls and afkers? Right now it is ridiculous. I thank you for at least telling us that you guys are working on some features but definite way of weeding the trollers and afkers out is this vote system.

I agree with Riot that the system is a bit flawed. But no more flawed than getting stuck with a "Mid or I feed" person in champ select. Before I explain, I'd like to point out I'm speaking only in the context of solo/duo ranked queue.
The notion that people will be getting kicked because the team anticipates a lower elo player, thus a 'worse' player, doesn't make any sense. In order to do that in solo queue, you must have the cohesion between 4 people in order to boot someone. The only reason 4 people would jump to work together in solo/duo is if the person were truly trolling the champ selection lobby. As of the latest patches, 2 duo queues won't be put on the same team anyways. On the topic of researching every team in champ select, and booting the lowest player, nobody would have the time and patience to do that every time they queue up, possible multiple times before a match.
The system is abusable, but would the community really put in the time to abuse it, and if so, is that so much worse than having to deal with a troll and potentially dodging for it, letting the troll stay in queue? I doubt it. It seems like Riot is really patronizing the community and saying we are so cynical we would abuse the power of a vote system. I believe it would solve more issues than it would bring out.

The idea of discrimination is...touchy, based on the racial/ethnic/lingual undertones. But personally, I believe I should be able to, I don't know, communicate on a basic level with my team? Normal queue, it's not a big deal. But this is a barrier that could potentially effect all 5 player's ranking in solo queue, and that isn't acceptable. But again, what are the chances all 4 people in solo queue will work together, unless it is a serious issue?

It seems like Riot isn't learning from past experience. When people lost elo for dodging, and you put out the idea of time-based punishment vs. elo loss, what did everyone say? "OH blah blah everyone will dodge, games won't ever start, 2 hour queues, complainnnnnnnn!!" Did that happen? No. The community took the system in stride and accepted it because it MAKES SENSE. What doesn't make sense is that I have to dodge and not play for half an hour because some jerk wanted to jungle Lulu with Promote and Surge, and if he didn't get his way he would feed.

I know many people are responding, but I thought it important that a few more points be raised as rebuttals to your reasoning.

1) There would be absolutely no reason to have this kick system in five man ranked teams because why would your own friends troll you? It wouldn't make sense. In singles/pairs, there are only two people so the majority would literally not exist, they would not be able to control the entire game because at max there are two people that know eachother.

2) Language is extremely important, extremely, and saying that it's not in a game that requires extreme coordination is understandable, but wrong in many people's opinions. Rarely, and I mean rarely, will you get a team mate that is both a troll AND does not know English, or whatever language you are using. Because of this, I seriously doubt that people will kick due to not knowing their language, as most people just do not talk at all during champion selection! Most of the time people will know what to do when you ping a certain location, and that should be enough. People know that, and without the majority they will not be able to kick them.

3) This is not a problem in ranked, and shouldn't be in unranked either. The votekicking option should require you to present a reason, and can be moderated and used as a reason for sanctuary much like the current reporting system. Since the majority would need to vote, being four, the system would only need to send reports during four man pre-mades. If you look at it from a quantitative position, honestly the number would not be that large, as several conditions would need to be met. First, a four man premade would need to be detected, whether or not all four people voted, and the reason for kicking. If it looks slightly sketchy, chat logs can be reviewed and action taken, honestly it doesn't have much more of a chance for being abused as the current system.

4) This is actually a point I raised earlier in the thread, which received one response, but you have to look at it from a different perspective than the one you're looking at right now. Yes, the system has the possibility of being abused, but the current system is being abused constantly. I will have at minimum four games where one person has lost the entire game for us, wasting fourty minutes of my time! You should view this from the player's perspectives, which system has a greater chance of being abused, a system where certain conditions must be met, or a system where at any time, anywhere it can be abused. If you think about it, most reports are probably due to feeding, trolling, verbal abuse, and the amounts of reports that you receive can be GREATLY reduced due to this new system.

5) There is no reason for each person to have 10 seconds to vote, and saying so is simply searching for reasons not to implement a system that could greatly help this community. Each person would be able to initiate a vote at any time during the champion selection, and players would have the remaining time to vote, or even limited to 10 seconds for EVERYONE. The other team would not be involved, obviously.

While I do not mean to be disrespectful, or argumentative, you are stating reasons that can easily be disputed as more harm to the community than the system we are suggesting.

P.S. If you check these forums as often as I think you do, you know that there are literally hundreds of threads begging for this.


P.S.S Also this is probably a bit late to respond, but just wanted to get my two cents in.

I agree, also voting can take place during the current wait time in champ select. We wouldn't need to extend the time at all. I think we still got plenty of time right now to cast votes in.

I would rather see a player kicked after the game has started and substituted in with another player. There is virtually no way to tell if someone is a troll before the game has started, unless your basing that on summoner spells or champion selection. Dodge's need to be unpunished anyways in my opinion. I could see consecutive dodges resulting in a queue delay.

Anyways I have a thread about this named Cure for Afk in the pvp.net section for more information on my ideas for a ranked substitution game type.

Seems like Riot's posts are inadequate here. They just present some various arguments on why we should accept the status quo without presenting an understanding of the problem in the first place. Most people don't care whether the problem is difficult to deal with, they just want Riot to understand the problem and do some research to try to solve it.

For example, a Rioter suggested that booting people could lead to discrimination. This is the stupidest brainstorm. It was obviously not considered when actually making the current system, because we can see the names of our teammates and also chat with them. That means it is easy to dodge as it is. I don't see that it is helpful to brainstorm some arguments to maintain the status quo, in fact, it is trolling. Please stop trolling us, Riot!