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The ultimate tip to get out of elo hell

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AxisXIViral ?? Senior Member
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07-01-2012

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Originally Posted by Evilpigeon View Post
It's the LoL equivalent of insider trading. I'm repeating myself now. Justify it however the **** you like, you're gaming the system for your own benefit, it's cheating.

Pre-match scouting is different because it's done using information that's availble at the time in the client.

This is why the insider trading analogy is apt, you're using information that isn't available to you at the time in game. I wouldn't have a problem if you were allowed to check profiles in-game.



Who cares what anyone thinks, someone puts up something in public, i disagree with it, I get to say my piece. People can then listen and argue should they feel like it. If you don't give a **** what i'm saying, why bother to read it?
Okay let me get this straight.

Pre-match scouting is different from looking up your team's stats before the match starts? HOW?

And you're saying that it's only cheating because you're looking it up on a website instead of inside the client? ***** please. Your argument makes ZERO sense. Which is why NO ONE is backing you up.

You aren't just "disagreeing", you're flat out calling it cheating, and telling people they're pathetic. Get out of here.

 
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Originally Posted by Droid Finale View Post
Is it cheating when 2600 players play the same people every time and know how to counter pick each other in game?
Counterpicks and bans done using Information available at the time and in-client and from personal knowledge gained from playing the game. I see no problem with that.

Do you really not see the distinction?

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Originally Posted by Raptorx123 View Post
i get that your mad and all but how can a post stop us :P
Probably can't, doesn't have to, I still get to call you out on it.

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Originally Posted by AxisXIViral View Post
Okay let me get this straight.

Pre-match scouting is different from looking up your team's stats before the match starts? HOW?

Pre match scouting you can do in-client and is thus 'part of the game' using lol-kings at a point where you can't look at profiles is going outside of the game to gain an unfair advantage.

And you're saying that it's only cheating because you're looking it up on a website instead of inside the client? ***** please. Your argument makes ZERO sense. Which is why NO ONE is backing you up.

If you can do soemthign in the client then logically it's part of the game, if you can't then it's not part of the game. It's makes sense, that you disagree with where i draw the line as to whether or not something if fair is a different issue.

You aren't just "disagreeing", you're flat out calling it cheating, which is an accusation.

I'm questioning the validity of it as a tactic. Since you guys think it is fine, the other position is that it is not fine i.e. it's cheating
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Originally Posted by LenfaL View Post
This is exactly why they should bring elo loss back,
This, though it wasn't a perfect solution. Not sure whether we're better off with people gaming the system but people being less punished for net problems or vice versa.

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Originally Posted by kenzoil View Post
False Analogy, Insider trading is unfair because the information is not public, but private which benefit a few. On the other hand, LOLking.net is open for everyone viewing if they chose to research the information provided by the website.
The analogy is correct because the information is not available within the scope of the game during champion select, it's private in the sense that the game does not allow you to access it and you have to circumvent it to get at the info.

 
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This is exactly why they should bring elo loss back,

 
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Dragonzz6 ?? Senior Member
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All of the information that's on lolking is taken directly from information you can find on the client

 
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Originally Posted by Evilpigeon View Post
Counterpicks and bans done using Information available at the time and in-client and from personal knowledge gained from playing the game. I see no problem with that.

Do you really not see the distinction?


Probably can't, doesn't have to, I still get to call you out on it.
soooo you here to call me out sorry im not gay

 
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Droid Finale ?? Senior Member
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Do you really not see the distinction?


Lolking.net gets everything from in client. The other team could look me up aswell
Counterpicks and bans done using Information available at the time and in-client and from personal knowledge gained from playing the game. I see no problem with that.
Dat quoting fail

 
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Originally Posted by Evilpigeon View Post
Counterpicks and bans done using Information available at the time and in-client and from personal knowledge gained from playing the game. I see no problem with that.

Do you really not see the distinction?
'playing the game' includes doing research. Don't lie to me and say you've never gone to a game's wiki and looked for help or asked on their forums.
It's all about utilizing tools.

 
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Originally Posted by Omar23j2 View Post
1.Go on LOL kings.net
2. Look at your teammates match history

If you see a guy playing non support champion and always going like 1-7 0-8 every game etc troll in champion select so that someone dodge

If it doesnt work dodge yourself you will have to wait 30min and loose no elo. Trust me its better to get off your pc for 30min than wasting 40min with trolls.

Im donig this since this morning and i won 8 out of 10 games.

I predict downvotes but i dont care because it works.
ty for info ill try it out not like Evilpigeon can stop me <3

 
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Bubbles of HK ?? Senior Member
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I actually like this. No more fighting for a position if the team sees that I can play it. If I'm calling top or ad carry (2 of the more popular positions), my teammates often look up my stats and lets me do as I please.

I personally don't care enough to go look up my teammates on lolking, though.

 
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ChinaSue ?? Senior Member
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07-01-2012

It's clearly gaming the system. It kind of makes me wish Riot put something in so you can report players for trolling champ select.