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09-02-2010

I disagree with a lot of choices actually. In my opinion,

You should add a "situationally solid" tier because a lot of masteries fit into that
I think Havoc is mid tier at best;
I'd move Sunder into top tier offense;
I'd move Havoc and Alacrity down a tier;
Brute Force is situationally solid
Offensive Mastery is great for junglers
I'd move both Tenacity and Nimbleness to top tier defense
Strength of Spirit is way better than you have it. Possibly top tier otherwise second tier for sure.
I'd move Awareness down a tier (though it is good)
Meditation I think is top tier for utility; maybe second tier.
Expanded Mind in the same tier as Meditation is that a joke?
Utility Mastery is great especially on junglers.
I personally think Greed is much better than people give it credit for. For 1 point with no requirements, it's pretty decent I think. I often take it.
I would also move Good Hands up a tier. It is situational because you have to die for it to be useful, but I find it invaluable for when I do die. And if you've ever seen me play Singed, you know that is very often.

 
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The problem is that so few people take fort, and it doesn't last very long. You can hold off a tower destruction for what is it, 6 seconds, but then it's right back to being assaulted, so you have to either have someone nearby or have someone else on your team that has teleport (which would imply two people on a team working together, and this list doesn't take into account such a ridiculous notion). Most other summoner spells can be put to better use.

Same goes with Rally. If you take Rally, you'd be a fool not to take Improved Rally. But who takes Rally? I've seen it maybe four times total. If it were an aura or a party-wide buff, it would be fantastic, but as it stands the enemy team can either move a small distance away or simply destroy the flag, wasting your spell. It's like having a tank-in-a-box, except the tank can only handle a couple hits.
The point is not whether you should take Rally. The point is, within a champ build that includes Rally and Offensive Mastery, Imp Rally is a top-tier mastery. If you don't take Rally, it is useless, just as Imp Exhaust would be to a player without Exhaust. Your ratings should assume the player is taking that spell.

 
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09-02-2010

One of the main things people seem to be saying is "I use this mastery all the time with my specific build on my specific champ, so it's higher tier". I wasn't clear that when I ranked these, I ranked them for EVERY build of EVERY champ. For example, if you're going to get points in utility, you ARE going to get awareness, regardless of who you use. If you go down that far, there is absolutely no reason not to take quickness. On the other hand, how many people are going to care about creep damage? One out of five assuming every team has a jungler in every game.

Basically if a mastery is higher tier, it means more people use it. That's all.

 
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09-02-2010

In that case, Good Hands should be top tier, because who goes utility and doesn't take that?

 
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09-02-2010

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One of the main things people seem to be saying is "I use this mastery all the time with my specific build on my specific champ, so it's higher tier". I wasn't clear that when I ranked these, I ranked them for EVERY build of EVERY champ. For example, if you're going to get points in utility, you ARE going to get awareness, regardless of who you use. If you go down that far, there is absolutely no reason not to take quickness. On the other hand, how many people are going to care about creep damage? One out of five assuming every team has a jungler in every game.

Basically if a mastery is higher tier, it means more people use it. That's all.
Well then this is not a tier list. /thread

 
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09-02-2010

Did Guinsoo just forget that he could lock threads? Or maybe he doesn't have the power.

 
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09-02-2010

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I personally think Greed is much better than people give it credit for. For 1 point with no requirements, it's pretty decent I think. I often take it.
You've heard it here first folks, greed is good.

 
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Did Guinsoo just forget that he could lock threads? Or maybe he doesn't have the power.
I don't think he'd last too long if he used his power to lock threads for no reason other than he doesn't agree with them.

 
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This is MY opinion solely and does not reflect my team's or any other high level player opinion on high level play. It's for you to read and discuss for your enjoyment and nothing else.
First line from his tier list. Thought you might as well put it in, it'll avoid any more flaming.

 
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09-02-2010

I'm still hoping for the mastery tree changes D: