Banshees veil

Ap yi is ok it's nothing to freak out about.

Its very much something to freak out about. He forces you to care about your teammates in a team game. This shouldn't happen EVER

As long as that caring about teammates also involves ganking him in mid a few times, cause he ALWAYS pushes hard, I'll be happy... my main peeve with him is facing him mid, yes late game he is not that strong, he's an assassin, and a pretty weak one at that, with mediocre abilities and no cc who relies on getting really farmed in lane for his damage to even be decent.

But GOD**** he gives me a freaking rash in lane, worse than anyone else, best I can usually do is to just let him freefarm forever while I farm and play passively hoping for a gank and STILL have to constantly drink potions just to not get zoned out of half my creep kills. His poor late game and how easy he is to focus down might make up for it, and he might NEED all that farm to even be playable at all... but since I play mostly ap mid champs that he counters well in lane, I still hate him with a passion... he really does give me serious problems in a way that NO other champ I ever face in mid does.

Even if AP yi gets fed, all you have to do is push for late game. He will inevitably fall off, and quite hard too. AP yi does not scale into late game what so ever, and is easily countered by MR. If he can't do massive amounts of damage, then he is essentially useless and can be ignored.

Here's the point I'm trying to make. Any AP carry in this game typically has a bit of a "catch" to do the damage AP Yi can put out in a very short amount of time.

For instance: Ziggs with 3 doran's rings and boots can put out a good amount of damage with his Q. The issue? It's very, very, VERY easy to dodge his bombs. Same with Gragas essentially and those two abilities are their "main" source of damage. Sure you can toss on your ults to provide more damage but also they have no ways of mitigating damage what-so-ever and the escapes they have are sub par compared to what Yi can do when he goes AP.

Another issue: AP Yi does only need two dolans and a pair of boots to completely decimate typical AP lane carries. Combined with the fact his main damage is not a skill shot makes those ratios seem huge. By all means a Lux should counter Yi as she has a decent CC and survivability, but even she with a few dolans cannot match the ratio AP Yi has.

Another point: Take LeBlanc who, the entire community has agreed on, has a decent early game, and yet falls off hard late game. Ala Yi. Well her Q and R combo is what makes her so feared early game and yet Yi can easily pump out far more damage and laugh at her Q and R combo.

So why should a melee AD carry who is, for the most part, meant to be an AD carry allowed to have such huge ratios when he can be so versatile? He can lane, he can jungle, he can do AD or AP and even be tanky, and yet his AP ratios are so high.

Basically the main thing is why is his ratio so high on his Q and on his heal when other AP mages have lower AP values, and less survivability and less versatility? That's what I'm wondering.

Exactly, he's basically GOD in lane against pretty much any other mid, and personally as one who plays mid a lot, there is no champion that I find it harder to lane against, pretty much any other mid i can poke and harass effectively, and those few that I can't, I still have a good chance to beat or at least match the enemy's creep score by just playing passively and farming against them. Yi on the other hand, makes me play passively, buy defense AND sustain items, and gets to free farm anyway, while I'm still lucky if he doesn't zone me out so hard he can just take away 1/3-1/2 my farm.

Yi's alpha strike is not ignorable during laning phase no matter how much you stack resistance or life.. (unless maybe you rush like a FoN or Warmogs or something or already have very good MR innately or from an ability...) he hits you with it constantly and automatically, and you can't trade back with him effectively since he can laugh at your damage and cooldowns with meditate. You can't even chip him down after he blows meditate to make him back off, since there is a good chance as a cooldown-dependent champ that you won't be able to do enough poke damage before he gets meditate back up.

Personally, I think the best way to deal with Yi during the laning phase is to get a lot of ganks on him or just switch places with your AD carry or bruiser... any AD carry, ranged or melee, and most bruisers, will be able to put out enough sustained damage to force him to back off, and will have no problem farming against him and zoning him away from the creeps. And he won't be able to follow you, because in a double lane he can't farm and can be focused very easily, and on top solo, he will at LEAST be forced to start buying wards or he's gank meat (he should get ganked in mid too, since he always pushes, but the top lane is a lot longer, and it's closer to buff objectives where the jungler tends to be)...

Whats that AP Yi is going to Alpha strike me? O hey I flashed to this turret, CC'ed him and he died. Whats that AP Yi just got a triple kill cleaning up a team fight, AD YI could have done it better and then solo pushed the blown up the nexus in the same time.

Id rather lane aginst AP Yi than a ****ing mid nunu.

Well i'm not in front of my minions, so the first trick doesn't work, he comes back to the first minion he hit, not me... he's typically using it whenever there are 3 minions or less and i'm in range, which I have to be if I want to not just give up like half my minion kills.

So yeah, you CAN cc him when he comes out of alpha strike at least, now all you need to do is have enough damage left off cooldown to bring him to dead by yourself before that cc wears off, or somehow have another hard cc besides the one you just caught him with...

It sounds to me like you don't play mid champs at all.. even playing Heimer, who nunu is a strong counter to, and who should be able to deal with Yi, as Heimer has both strong sustain and very long range harass/farming capability, even a blind and stun, and I still have a much easier time with nunu... his heal doesn't compare to meditate, I can harass him still, he can't zone me out at all, and he can only eat one of my turrets at a time, yi can kill both with one strike even if I place them far apart, and I can't harass him really, the best i can do is get him to blow meditate, and then kill him with the help of the jungler. The rest of the time i have to hide and try and farm while still taking massive damage from him every wave (alpha strike makes heimers rockets look like toys), either having to chug potions or go back constantly even if I build MR and play as passively as I can.

Although I agree a Nunu that goes mid is going to be pretty nasty and scary late game... probably much better for their team than the AP Yi is.

Wow.

Grailums can even succeed at losing to the Dunkmaster. You should probably kill yourself, dude. This is a shame that is meaningful even in the real world.

A Dunkmaster with the wrong build no less! Everyone knows Wiggles Lantern is the best item in the game.