Originally Posted by C00LST0RYBR0
I play mid ( mostly Morde, and I win almost all lanes) and jungle (Nocturn, Nautilus), doesn't change a thing really. I'll tell you why: last game we won top and won mid, yet our duo bot fed hardcore and didn't communicate at all with the team. They ignored wards. So we just lost lategame. I could delay the game till 45 mins because I am a decent Morde player, but end game, if your ad carry is bad you lose. It's simple.
Im not sure what Riot is basing their claim on "the carry effect is stronger then the feeder effect", because it really isn't at all.
Let me explain to you how it works in solo queue at 1300 elo.
You get an early lead and try to pressure the enemy by puhsing, however you can't do that alone, as the enemy will defend. So you tell your team. They won't listen worth jack**** 99% of the time and just try to farm. So lategame is forced upon you. Now even when you are very fed, you can't win lategame alone, because of CC. They will focus you and you will die. Then what happens is this: one guy in your team will do something extremly bad (facecheck, solo around, ad carry in melee range in fights, and and and). That will cost you the game (feeder > carry effect). Some example... I had a Taric that facechecked 3 times by himself, we could recover from 2 of those, but not from the third. Another example. Baron is up and 3 guys in your team decide to go farm bot... you can't stop the enemy baron by yourself... doesn't matter how good you are, you can't 1v5.
So, essentially, you can't win early game and you can't win end game, if your team is bad. It's really that simple. I win 99% of my lanes and I always try to pressure and win early... but if your team doesn't help all of this doesn't matter.
Another great example. If you have an Irelia that is clueless and doesn't have Triforce at 33 minutes it doesn't really matter how farmed you are, you will just not beat a halfway decent enemy team.
you lost because you picked the wrong champions, rewatch this replay and you'll understand because they win in every single aspect of the game, more damage,more cc, more mobility and more tanky. Given the situation of this game you should be giving praise the graves for doing as well as he did because the fact is that the enemy team had 4 champions that could jump on him and kill him and theres nothing that he could do about it because you guys have no cc, If i were you, i wouldnt have picked morde in this comp to begin with but even if i did i would have rushed a rylais so that my graves aka my only real damage source in this game might have had a chance at anything at all.
If you wanted to win this match then you needed to ask graves to get a qss fast and give him red buff while rushing a rylais yourself and killing them as they charged at graves like they did every fight except this time they wouldnt be able to kill him. Its understandable that mistakes were made, for example, your jungler picking shyvana after you had picked morde was retarded. The result of that shyvana pick was the fact that you guys couldnt kill anyone because you had no cc, you as morde were roaming and you could never succeed because everytime to tried the ez would E away and there would be nothing you could do. Not to mention the fact that everytime skarner/diana/irelia showed up they could just destroy you because diana rushed rylais and skarner had ult. The enemy teams ganks were working and shyvana was to behind to get and oracles which was basically the nail in the coffin.
Im not saying that if you had gotten rylais it was a sure win but it was the only chance that your team had unless you had decided to play a mid laner with cc like annie/orianna/ryze.
Mechanically your teammates arnt bad, its just each elo ranges people are there because they lack something that the higher elos have, for 1300 elo, i guess this is knowing who to pick and when. Think about this after you rewatch the replay, IF i was ryze/annie/orianna would my roaming bot lane ganks have succeeded? If i was ryze/annie/orianna or anything with cc would that early level mid gank by shyvana were she exhausted have gotten me a kill? This is basically the reason that the enemy won, because they had the cc and they had the damage to make sure that the early game lead they got from that cc stayed a lead.
What you did good: Other then not taking your enemies wraith camp at certain times you did everything pretty good in the laning phase, you push on diana, you csed well, you roamed at the right times, you warded properly, you reacted to what was happening on the map very well(VERY WELL
What you can improve on: Picking the right champions for the job and building to serve your team rather then yourself ex: graves has no peel? get rylais. Another ap player on my team doing well? get WOTA. it is only when you feel like the damage is all that is needed that you rush for as much as possible and it depends on the champ as well. You also should have sent diana back home or killed her when you were 6 and she was 5, im not saying flash for it but if you had ulted and combod her she would have had like 200 health or less and she would back giving you a 2 level lead and her wraith camp as well as a gank bot or top after pushing the wave. Also next time try and ask every player what champ they plan on playing every game so that you can choose your champ to synergies with your comp, if you dont know then pick something that is safe and has cc like mid: morg, ahri,ryze,ori,kennen etc etc, jungle: noc, skarner, lee sin, naut, maoki, top: malphite is op and i dont play top so idk whos good lol. Ad: ezreal,graves, corki, tristana, cait are your best bets if you dont know your matchup or team comp.
Fix these small things and your win rate will increase, you already have the mechanics for higher elo as most people at low elo actually do have because most have been playing for a long time without thinking about what they are doing wrong or can improve and therefore can never raise their elo.