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SabreJ6 ?? Senior Member
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08-01-2012

and that the Solari are actually the evil ones?

Now if you look at this picture, (which i presume was in the temple where Diana found her weapon and armor) the expression of the person in the lunar armor isn't one of fear but of confusion. I believe that the Solari betrayed them long ago and tried to hide anything that had to do with them.

Just my thoughts, I could be, and am probably wrong but I just thought I'd share that.

 
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08-01-2012

ya, Diana isn't evil she was branded a heretic because she found proof that the rakkor or w/e used to also worship the moon, which im guessing was a big taboo for the new solari church to even think about in this point in time, so no she is not evil just trying to bring about an understanding of the moon goddess or w/e

 
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StarkRavenMad ?? Senior Member
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08-01-2012

Um...dude...she says, quite plainly, that she'll kill anyone that doesn't worship the moon....
I'm not saying she's evil, but she's lost some of her moral fiber, due to the wrong done to her by the old sages. To say all Solari is evil is like saying all Muslims are terrorists or that all Christians are Westboro Baptist church.

 
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Um...dude...she says, quite plainly, that she'll kill anyone that doesn't worship the moon....
I'm not saying she's evil, but she's lost some of her moral fiber, due to the wrong done to her by the old sages. To say all Solari is evil is like saying all Muslims are terrorists or that all Christians are Westboro Baptist church.

you do realize that the solari tried to kill her right, Also that they branded her as a heretic so any solari that really believes will try to kill her, whilst any others might decide to join her....i don't find her evil for protecting herself and her beliefs

 
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HonorableGeneral ?? Senior Member
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Um...dude...she says, quite plainly, that she'll kill anyone that doesn't worship the moon....
I'm not saying she's evil, but she's lost some of her moral fiber, due to the wrong done to her by the old sages. To say all Solari is evil is like saying all Muslims are terrorists or that all Christians are Westboro Baptist church.
This. Only a Sith deals in absolutes. Not all the Solari are good, nor are they all evil. Diana is a mix of good and evil.

 
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Sylph Sylph's Avatar ?? Emissary of the League
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08-01-2012

There are always heroes on both sides of a war, every one has a story... This one is about the reflection of Leona.

 
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08-01-2012

Are you saying Leona had some direct involvement in Diana's story?

 
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08-02-2012

Oh boy, here we go again... Riot makes an 'evil' character, and everyone feels that it's their duty to point out that she's actually a soft muffin inside and just misunderstood, branded as a heretic unjustfully.

And yet her lore states that since her early years, all she did was question and deny the worship of the sun, searching for evidence to disprove it. By adding two and two, we could clearly see why would she get on Solari's bad side, storming into their temple while wielding the relics of their ancient counterparts. But when they told her she was wrong, she didn't wait for her execution, and killed everyone instead. And not only that, as the lore says, she still is doing it.

^ That entire passage, Diana stirred up things by herself, four times in a row, without the Solari doing anything to her in the first place.

Then, not to mention, Solari's relics are armor, shield and a one-handed blade, a set very befitting to a protector; Lunari relics are light plate armor, and a two-handed sword with blades attached everywhere they could fit on the hilt, clearly a much more offensive solution. Same goes for their powers, as Leona's are more protective and beneficial to allies, while Diana's are all about killing people fast and furious, et cetera.

But then, people say - "But Diana sought everyone's approval, and they violently rejected her! Clearly she's a martyr and was traumatized by the evil Solari!" And here they are wrong again. Clearly, with the massacre she did at the temple, our lunar child is anything but a martyr. Indeed, she sought approval, but the ways she sought it through were beyond extraordinary - with her constant disbelief of the Sun, she would fit just as much as an atheist within a family of mormons. They didn't hate her, and accepted that the girl had her flaws, but Diana didn't want tolerance, she wanted for people to actually change their beliefs (that they coincidentially carried through centuries on their secluded Mt. Targon peak). And when they didn't, she decided to convert them even if it killed them, literally.

Religions are serious business, especially at the timeline point where Runeterra is. Trying to delve deeper into a character and find new edges to their personality is wonderful, and people should always do more of that; however, an unprovoked massacre can barely be justified, if at all. Diana is one of those cases when looking for good things will fall on deaf ears... and a huge crescent blade.

 
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Oh boy, here we go again... Riot makes an 'evil' character, and everyone feels that it's their duty to point out that she's actually a soft muffin inside and just misunderstood, branded as a heretic unjustfully.

And yet her lore states that since her early years, all she did was question and deny the worship of the sun, searching for evidence to disprove it. By adding two and two, we could clearly see why would she get on Solari's bad side, storming into their temple while wielding the relics of their ancient counterparts. But when they told her she was wrong, she didn't wait for her execution, and killed everyone instead. And not only that, as the lore says, she still is doing it.

^ That entire passage, Diana stirred up things by herself, four times in a row, without the Solari doing anything to her in the first place.

Then, not to mention, Solari's relics are armor, shield and a one-handed blade, a set very befitting to a protector; Lunari relics are light plate armor, and a two-handed sword with blades attached everywhere they could fit on the hilt, clearly a much more offensive solution. Same goes for their powers, as Leona's are more protective and beneficial to allies, while Diana's are all about killing people fast and furious, et cetera.

But then, people say - "But Diana sought everyone's approval, and they violently rejected her! Clearly she's a martyr and was traumatized by the evil Solari!" And here they are wrong again. Clearly, with the massacre she did at the temple, our lunar child is anything but a martyr. Indeed, she sought approval, but the ways she sought it through were beyond extraordinary - with her constant disbelief of the Sun, she would fit just as much as an atheist within a family of mormons. They didn't hate her, and accepted that the girl had her flaws, but Diana didn't want tolerance, she wanted for people to actually change their beliefs (that they coincidentially carried through centuries on their secluded Mt. Targon peak). And when they didn't, she decided to convert them even if it killed them, literally.

Religions are serious business, especially at the timeline point where Runeterra is. Trying to delve deeper into a character and find new edges to their personality is wonderful, and people should always do more of that; however, an unprovoked massacre can barely be justified, if at all. Diana is one of those cases when looking for good things will fall on deaf ears... and a huge crescent blade.
Why hello, there. I see you're quite logical. I'm rather logical myself.
All joking aside, this guy has it down, pretty well. While I'm curious, though, on who he deems good and evil champions (and will probably have a heated debate with the chap on Swain), I do think that Diana is at half fault, here. Not all fault, because we are what society makes us, yada yada. The old Solari sages were wrong to flat out yell "HERETIC!" for a past they obviously want buried, but to respond to this by instantly saying "Nope, you die now" is a problem. If she wanted balance in worship, she could've dashed out, and escaped. She decided that their deaths were the only solutions. I like to think she's too indepth to be called pure evil, but she's not a goody two shoes.

 
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08-02-2012

Its a sith jedi thing. sith were gone and the jedi tried to remove all existence of them becasue they knew that even though those who leaned to the dark side werent completely evil that it warped them. so im going with solari=jedi and the moon people=sith. they even follow the idea of lots of jedi very few sith. and defensive and offensive stuff

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