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fletche00 ?? Senior Member
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01-21-2013

Being a newer Viktor player, my only problem w/ him has to do w/ his end game viability.

The one nice thing about Viktor is that his augments allow him to play a variety of roles on his team, and in theory, all of it works out, but in practice, he really falls off when trying to make him play a support, he just cannot bring as much to the table as a true support can. The way I can see this being fixed is with another build path with his Hex Core (Tier 3 upgrade that is).

How I propose this works, is take his Augment Gravity: Gives 30% range on his stun, 200mana, 10%CRD and 5mana regen. So, if you were a support, this will help you set up for your team to come in, and if you added a tier 3 to it, I would say adding something along the lines (a little bit of everything, just 1 of the following, or if somebody has a better idea)
5 to 10% MS increase for allies running through gravity field
Small MR/Armor aura when its on the field or a flat amount in an aura (~750 Range) per champion it hits to surrounding allies
Possibly an activate on hexcore that gives a small boost to a stat, or a limited heal, w/ a 60-90second cooldown

Augment power adds movement speed to power transfer, 220hp, 6Hp regen. Another tier could add
Bonus MR/AR after landing Q
Aura that increases allied champions speed after it hits possibly (~450-650 aura range) for 3 seconds
Possibly a lifesteal on the Power transfer, but would be for 1/4 - 1/2 amount you get shielded)

Augment death gives 30% burn on Laser over 4 seconds & 45AP. Putting a tier 3 on it would give:
5 to 10% inc. AP to Viktor only, or maybe an activate that lasts 10 seconds w/ a 2 minute cooldown
Flat Magic Pen for 5 to 10 seconds after you land an ability on an enemy champion (champion, not minion, if it was minion, it could be used too much and kept on almost all the time)

Again, these are just some ideas to help improve what role you want Viktor to be in, and also give some umphf to his Late game, I would love feedback on these ideas.

 
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Desmond Law ?? Senior Member
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01-21-2013

What bumms me out is his regen on the Power and Gravity augments.
I asked an alistar what his base health regen was and it was about twice what viktor had even with a power augment.
Altough he does have a shield, I dunno if it is that worth the opp cost.

The augments just *bend* viktor to a certain role, but doesn't allow him to be a true member of it.
In the end, he's still a sustained burst mage with a little bonus hp or mp.

 
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Algrimor ?? Senior Member
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01-21-2013

Bump for some love for Viktor, although I'm sure they're working on him.

 
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Anaostia ?? Senior Member
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01-21-2013

I don't find the need to get any other augments except death when I mid, the other ones don't seem as powerful not damage wise but gameplay wise. But I wish there were more upgrades to his augments tier wise, but it's only a wish.
First time I started playing viktor his laser was ridiculously hard to aim though now it's not so bad, but still I sometimes get confused. It is like previously mentions a bit unresponsive, ie) I aim to shoot the laser forward but somehow it cuts horizontally across the field instead of vertically. It would help a little bit more for others if the tooltip said you have to drag the point to the place it should reach like rumbles ult.
His q seems alright and not as bad as people say but I wish the shield regain was a bit higher on lower levels but I guess it'll be a bit better after the upcoming updates for his q. His w I feel is fine and the casting time seems reasonable for something that slows and stuns. Besides his augments and his laser I feel like he's in a good place.

 
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fletche00 ?? Senior Member
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01-22-2013

Bump

 
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Slarg232 ?? Senior Member
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01-22-2013

As a Viktor (ex) player, what appealed to me most was the fact that he is a technologically charged badass. And he reminds me of a tech priest from Warhammer.

But anyway. Viktor was supposed to be about evolution, and his Hex Core kind of showed that. But then along came Kha'xiz, and we saw what "Evolution" truely was. I'm not saying Vik should use that system, but it was kinda a "Slap in the face" as to what Vik was supposed to be.

Honestly though, going with a Lich Bane Q build or a glass cannon E Poke build were the only things worth going for with Vik. At least that's what I always thought.

 
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zergman ?? Senior Member
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01-22-2013

I found that a lot of my friend didn't realize that you could hold down the E key to allow yourself to aim his lazer. I wonder how many players out there don't like Viktor because they don't know how to use his lazer.

 
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Hoisengerd ?? Senior Member
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01-22-2013

well i played Viktor cause he seemed interesting to me, i have been playing LoL since the Lulu patch and have used Viktor since that time, though i use him less these days cause he can hardly compete

things i don't like:

  • very slow movement speed for how low his spell ranges are
  • very low spell range for how squishy he is
  • augment item taking up a slot, Rengar can forgo his item for example. why not do something like with Elissas? that x amount of time after upgraded it free's up the slot
  • Gravity Field takes to long to open and activate, gap closers usually blow right by it and you are forced to save it for when/if they do, thus taking it away as an offensive option, which is also due to it's very low range and the fact that Augment Death out weighs all the other augments by too much
  • only Augment Death feels worth the money
  • Chaos Storm too slow and ceases to follow people who enter fog of war

a lot of these old mages need to be looked at, i feel Annie suffers from a lot of the same problems Viktor does, they are outdated, in this current environment where there are assassins with 700+ range gap closers and long stealths, and other mages who are either tankier or have better range and CC they just can't compete, playing these low range mages is a chore, it takes twice the work to not get caught out and there is no big reward for it compared to other champs, the only anomaly here is Ryze cause he pretty much gets to build like a tank

 
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ÄHeroNamedHawke ?? Member
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01-22-2013

5 months later all Riot has done is changed his shield slightly
Nice

 
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Aydos ?? Member
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01-22-2013

I started playing Viktor when my friends talked me into maining ap carry mid.

I was good at it and was expanding my champions and I read about him and thought he looked fun.

I liked how much control you had over his attacks such as how his laser went and how you could chase things with your ult.

When I heard seldom played and hard to master I was hooked and have loved him ever since.