Originally Posted by E1C
First off, Udyr is not a top tier jungle. As while he has speed and stun, he has no ranged slow like Shyvana and no jumps.
Morgana is not a top tier AP carry, her shield and stun help her get away but she has no mobility which is really important.
AP Shaco is not nearly as strong as it used to be, especially with the 90 to 60 second nerf on JITB's. Not sure why he is teir 2.
Also, Ahri is very much top teir as she has insane damage, mobility, and a taunt. No clue why Cho'Gath would be up their other than he is tanky.
Xin Zhao jungle is extremely difficult and hard to make work on 3v3.
Also, out of curiousity, what is your argument for why Cassiopea is a God Teir AP? I know Greedy Buddhist plays a good Cass but I've never seen Ahri loose to Cass.
"he has no ranged slow like Shyvana and no jumps." Shyvana has no "range slow". Her jungling maybe fast, but her ganks are useless, unless you have a insane CC laner. Udyr jungle is decently fast and more reliable when it comes to ganking.
Whats the point of mobility if you can just stun-lock with her Q and R, plus her mobility is really not that slow compare to ahri movement speed.
Shaco isn't t2 for being AP, he can play AP, read bold thanks. His role is jungle, his role is to gank and clear jungle, not because he is going to go AP. Plus shaco jungle lvl 2 gank is almost for sure instant first blood, unless the opponent plays it off real good and pops SS(summoner spell).
Xin Zhao jungle is actually not even difficult it is plain easy. Just he can't do anything once he goes in team fight, he either goes in and comes out killing all, or dies going in. He is just too squishy, but his ganks are very strong.
Ahri movement speed is really slow. She has nothing to escape until level 6. Her taunt isn't even that amazing. She is very squishy too. A jungle gank plus CC laner, automatic drop first blood and snowball.
"Also, out of curiousity, what is your argument for why Cassiopea is a God Teir AP? I know Greedy Buddhist plays a good Cass but I've never seen Ahri loose to Cass."
I would not know how he plays Cass, but Cass is top tier cause of her game changing ulti. She can almost pressure anybody out of lane. Ex. Singed.
Her Q gives her movement speed and does damage overtime. W slows. E 0.5 CD if poisoned, and her OP ulti. Which stun locks them. I mean you must not have seen a lot of good cass players because there isn't. Cass is a difficult champion to play.
I mean if you can prove me some sort of evidence that something is wrong on my tier list feel free. But you have so little explanation to why they shouldn't be there and you ciritize it with no reason. If you want to scrim and prove me that Cass doesn't deserve it, feel free to hit me up on LoL.
Lets go to your guys' Tier list.
Blitzcrank T2? No damage output? Can't hold lane against other variety of bruisers. I mean what kind of items do you plan to build with him?
Ziggs deserve that high of a tier? One move to get away (W) and its not even that reliable, his early/mid game is horrid. If he gets ganked he is going to be useless.
You must not ever seen an AP NUNU or an AP Janna or even an Amumu.
I can rant and explain how your whole tier list is not very useful but don't have that sort of time. Just because you have time to reach #1 on 3v3 ranking doesn't prove that much. Just all the "Good" players aren't playing ATM. Your being a little pretentious about the whole thing. So that's it.