Originally Posted by GrignardTS
1) CC for an ADC = death
CC for a tankydeep = I loose some DPS
2) Immune to group focus? A bit idealistic....
Is it out of position when Talon/Rengar/Khz stealth on top of you and global you?
3) Absolutely true. Which is why I ended the argument with "Jax has carry level damage" and not "Jax has more damage than ADCs" because he does have carry level damage. Look at the math.
You keep mentioning kiting. Slow this, kite that. How do you kite Jax that has a 700 range gap close on a 6s/4s CD and keeps his slow on you constantly? Sure, you'll get away once for a few seconds. Maybe even twice. But trust me, he'll stick to you.
I think a squad of 3 late game Jax could probably win a 3v5 tbh.
1.) Have fun running past a good front line to stunlock the ADC. On the other hand, Jax is the front line.
2.) The concept is called pealing. Anyone that gets past the front line is the main target for CC. unless the enemy ADC is vulnerable. Also, how do you global someone?
3.) Your math is bad because you use a sub-optimal build. Now Jax generally scales well enough that eventually even the most facepalm builds start doing good damage, but still.
Just walking away from someone while autoattack canceling is kiting... all by itself. Add in any slows you may have, and you decrease the enemy's effectiveness. I know Jax's CDs, but your numbers assume that he attacks exactly as often as his attackspeed says, which never happens in tanky DPS vs ADC unless the ADC is rooted/stunned. Doing this perfectly is really hard to do especially when your attackspeed gets higher, and you can actually do this on tanky DPS as well to reduce the effectiveness of the enemy's kiting. The other factor is animations. Ranged carries generally have decent AA animations that can be canceled fairly early (watch Chaox Corki play) and their abilities don't usually ruin their ability to output damage at their attackspeed level (a couple exceptions). Animations vary from champ to champ, Irelia having a decent one, and Wukong having a horrible one (imo), with Jax somewhere in between.
Janna/Nunu/Malphite/Jayce/(Kayle or Vayne or Ezreal) will easily easily easily wreck your 3 man Jax team.