Originally Posted by canuckboss
No such thing a sa dive zone , you can lose a few games but you wont lose en masse because of low win players. If are a 1700 player go get 1700
You only represent 20% of your team. If you are only 100-200 Elo below where you "belong", you can't single handedly carry games. You will usually win your lane, but that's only 1/3 of the lanes. And if your enemy avoids feeding you (even if you deny them Cs hardcore), while your toplane goes 0 and 4, you could be in for a loss no matter how well you do.
So yes, if you are ranked 1250 Elo and get 2 new players on your team that "belong" at lower Elo, but haven't migrated yet due to too few games, it is VERY possible that you get a loss. And if that brings you *closer* to 1200 (entry) Elo, it could be increasing the chances of seeing new players in your games.
Which DOES translate into a "dive zone". Sure, you'll only lose 5-6 games at most. But then you have to win 5-6 (without losses), while working your way up through that dive zone.
The Elo system has plenty of flaws. I avoid ranked most of the time because I don't have the time to play 400+ ranked games per season, and well over 50% of my games are won/lost due to an idiot/afk/dc/rager/etc on one team or the other. Those games aren't fun. And, assuming it can never be me (since I don't super-rage, afk, and so forth), that means 50% of my games are decided just by one troll. And of those 50%, 5 out of 9 are on the enemy team. Which means that if I have a 60% win ratio among non-lobsided games (which is about where I am, since my Elo should be 1450-1500 based on observations from friends/enemies from playing games "above" my Elo), then my game data would look like this:
200 games played.
100 games decided by troll. 56 wins, 44 losses.
100 fair games. 60 wins, 40 losses.
At 10 Elo per game, that amounts to a gain of 320 Elo over 200 games, or about 1.6 Elo gain PER GAME. And your average win % will go down as you approach where you belong (finally reaching 50% as you bounce around your proper Elo).
So, if you are 200 Elo below where you belong, it will take at LEAST 125 games to reach your proper Elo. Unless you get a lucky streak of wins.
And that number can be really intimidating to someone who only has time for 5-10 games/week, and hates dealing with those 50% of games that have a troll in them that occurs most in the sub-1400 Elo swamps.