Indeed.


I know your argument: You think that somehow it was possible that every PhD who uses the tribunal happened to review that case and used their superior intellect to make the right verdict (of course based on Lyte being an infallible deity).

It's ridiculous....There is nothing in those cases that hints to absolute guilt. If there is, please point it out. Please point out what irrefutably makes each and every one of those an absolute punish, or implies a high degree of guilt from that DATA (or as the common man calls it, evidence).

I'm all eyes.

Thanks for your bumps. I love them.

Then I'm going to ask you why would he overturn one if he considered it a punish?

You realize that I posted this like 7 pages back, right?

I'm not outright against the original idea of this thread. I'm not taking a stance one way or another.

I'm not even saying whether or not I think a 1 in 40,000 chance is an acceptable rate for people to be wrongly banned.

This all started because someone else, who is against the core principle of this thread, was trying to use math to demonstrate the extraordinarily low rate of false punishes. Their math was wonky and bad. I corrected their math.

I'm not trying to put this thread down. I'm just trying to set the record straight on the math. Because if the statistical odds of being falsely punished are going to be debated, they should be debated based on the correct math. There's no point in either side using lies, falsehoods, or incorrect data to make their point. I was correcting the data in order for the conversation to continue.

Heck, if you look hard enough, I even made a post in this thread calling Lyte out on a comment he made regarding pre/post game chat logs.

I'm not AGAINST the idea of this thread. I'm really pretty much on the fence.

All I was attempting to do from the beginning of the conversation regarding the odds was make sure the numbers were right.

Where were you trying to accomplish by trolling me?

Will you take a look at mine please? I believe you already did so since you hand-review every single case during your lunch breaks but I wish you could take a look at it just one more time. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/en/case/5920725/

That's not what I think, and it's not what I said. I spelled it out as clearly as I could. If this is what you got from it, we can't have a meaningful discussion about it.

So why are people arguing with these two trolls? They sit there and dodge any logical argument and go back to insulting people. They use comparisons to imply that anyone who disagrees with them has downs or is a "knuckle dragging hick", they have already proven they believe Riot is lying meaning that arguing with them is pointless.

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You said that it either implies what we we're arguing, or, exclusively, that the tribunal worked properly due to magic fairy convergence.

You didn't put a theorem forth, because you proved nothing.

That's called a hypothesis and one which is unjustified, because it lacks any kind of empirical data and sound, statistical inference .


You're not using a scientific approach, but a theological one; you argue assumptions as proven theorems. So yes, there is no arguing with you, because you don't want to argue.

im sry to say this, but i agree with bans. its not so simply games are bad for new unskilled players, its players are unwilling to learn from others. you have no idea how many times ive corrected a guy on how he plays and heres the list of responses i would get:
"dude stfu"
"dude just play"
"i know what i am doing"
"stop talking and play"
"just do your job"
...etc.

either that or they dont respond at all. what happens in the end? 20 min of my life wasted due to a dumb loss if im lucky. not a regular loss, a dumb loss. i can stand losing a game. i cant stand losing a game cause a guy wont cooperate. i have a number of bad players on my team who i dont report. why? because i get it, you suck, but at least you tried to listen to me and team and did what we ask of you with the best of your intentions. there are too many players who dont do that and 3/5 of team tries to surrender, but the two guys feeding and ignoring team are clicking no. so yes. these players u showed us are bad. but they are getting banned for the right reasons. they need to listen to team if they know they are bad and learn, otherwise even if its fun for you, you are taking the fun away from other ppl of your team. but i do agree with you guys the community is getting worse, because they are supporting these lethargic players and their attitude and sometimes even riot supports that. ex. "did you know? people who yell at teammates lose 13% of their games". indicating you shouldn't yell at your teammates even when you politely asked them to do things for 10min into the game and they ignore you and then they in turn do bad. its more like "did you know? teammates who lose 13% of their games due to bad teammates will yell at their teammates".