what now and if you do not know yet lee sin is losing the only thing hes good for junglng.

because when ur all utility junglings all you can do

and for those who don't understand the shaco comment. Warwick and evelynn just got strong they both counter him hard.

Evlynn can now not have to worry abot her umteempth percent attack speed increase not having madraws or shen instead she has hunters machaete and that goes into a ap or ad item.(like a madraws thats only usefull for minions.). Evelyn counters shaco because he has to buy wards she is a powerfull early invader with her fast camp clear, and he can't use his dolls because evlynn is immune when invisable.

ww if you don't know why he counters shaco just get out.

shaco who is just farming jungle counters himself.
there currently isnt enough gold for him to survive on and he has no really good utility.

yeah its the mix shaco is good becasue he can constantly gank as his dolls do the work now they can't do that.

Dolls? What?
His boxes you mean?

They still do damage and draw aggro from the jungle creeps.
And what the hell do you mean about lee sin losing the only thing he's good for?

2 questions.

1. What's this about lee sin now?
2. You do know that if you get countered jungled you can just gank right?

his boxes cant farm if ev steals his **** and he can't do anything to kill her with her god like speed.

1.lee sins got slow clear speed no regen and ganking is hard early
2.ganking early hard ev invade early.

note that last post was reffering to season three when reffering to jungle scemantics.

You do know about iron will right? 5% life steal and spell vamp lvl 1. Lee sin doesn't really have slow clears and if they become slow in season 3 everyone elses will suffer as well. The only difference with ganks is that you will have less health after clearing, making it more of a risk. The only thing this patch really does to lee is discourage him from level 2 ganking/camping. And lets say this does ruin his jungle, he's still one hell of a top and mid.

lee sin has terirble clear and no people with sustain or burst wont because they wont take the dmg or will steal it back.

Can you please proofread your posts and make sure people other than yourself understand them. I'm not trying to be mean here but it's really hard to debate this with you when I only get half of what you're saying.