Originally Posted by mnun
I don't ban Morgana, people rage. Enemy team first picks morg, I first pick talon, gets honored for going 12/2 as Talon mid..
Counter picking is awesome when done right
I'm not saying that counter-picking doesn't exist.
If you know, for example, that Morgana is the most popular mid pick at your Elo, and you also know that Talon is the hardest counter to Morgana, and you set out to practice Talon all day and all night until you've perfected Talon so that your ability to Talon is equal or better than the ability of any Morgana player you'd encounter at your Elo, then you've got a counter pick.
But this isn't really relevant to the OP's idea, because all that matters for your idea to work is for the enemy to have already picked Morgana. You can't control the enemy team's pick order--only your own.
So on this end, counter picks CAN mean something. I didn't say they're completely irrelevant.
But let's say you're not on the enemy team, and I pick Morgana as my mid. If Morgana is my main, and the enemy mid takes Talon, and only takes Talon because he's heard Talon is a good counter, when in reality, the enemy mid isn't that great with Talon, then I'll end up crushing that Talon in lane because I'm playing on a champ that I have a hundred plus games played, while he's playing Talon for maybe the tenth time?
Meanwhile, if that player instead picks a champ that he's really good with, he'll do significantly better. Even if the champ he's picking isn't a hard counter (or soft counter) to Morgana. Heck, even if Morgana is a counter to his pick, if he's picking his main, he'll do significantly better against my main than he would by picking a counter-pick to my main that he is unfamiliar with.
And to the OP, just because I'm using "if" in my logic, doesn't mean I'm throwing out some hypothetical, never-will-happen, what-if scenarios. I'm using if-then statements to explain the options that someone has when considering counter-picking me.
The stats don't lie. The HARDEST counter-picks in League only have about a 7% better win rate against the champion in question compared to that champion's normal win-rate.
What this means is, take Jax, for example. Jax has about a 51% win rate. Shen is considered one of the best counters to Jax. Against teams that contain a Shen, Jax still manages nearly a 47% win-rate.
Now, one is above 50% and one is below 50%, so there's a least some significance there, but it's only a drop of about 4% here. That means if my personal win rate with Jax is somewhere in the neighborhood of 70%, then I would expect my win rate as Jax against teams that contain Shen to be at least 65%.
If Jax were my main, and I was only facing players who main Shen, it might be lower than 65%. But the problem is, a large percentage of the time that I take Jax, the enemy team might counter-pick Shen just because the enemy solotop knows that Shen is supposedly a Jax counter. Well if Shen is not his main, he is not as comfortable with his champion as I am with my champion. So my win-rate against Shen for players who don't main Shen is likely to be even higher than my overall win rate as Jax.