Is the offensive tree going to give more love to AP characters? The idea of AD being able to go straight down the tree to get stats that easily benefit them kinda seemed unfair to APs who had to choose to put an extra 3 points into something like Havoc (which we all know isn't that impressive), Strength (only really helpful for last hitting) or Alacrity (which mages shouldn't be needing atk speed unless your Ori/Diana)

Actually if you've seen any of the math done on surge it is outclassed by ignite 99% of the time. It was underused not because people thought it was bad but because it was too conditional to get the max effects of it and even when you did it barely had more dps then ignite, not accounting for the healing reduction also given by it.

No more 5 minute level 4 Udyr dragon solo for me :,( Doing that used to be how I impressed my friends. Now I can't do it anymore, unless of course that machete item is good enough to allow him to do it. I know that, right now, Udyr can level 4 clear the jungle without any items whatsoever.

Okay, just making theories here. Right now, I start boots in the jungle, and after my level 4 clear, go back and grab 2 health pots, a mana pot, cloth armor, and a fort pot for dragon. If, in the new jungle, I start Machete (confirmed cost at 300 gp), I might be able to upgrade to Madred's Razors on the first back. Getting Barrier as my second summoner spell would help with the dragon, too. Only time will tell if that will make the difference. I'm crossing my fingers

We fear change.

Yo Riot, remove flash. None of your changes will matter until you do that.

PS How about instead of just removing surge you make it not a piece of **** that is strictly worse than ignite?

well, i sincerely hope Riot fixes the mastery builds to incorperate the use of outer-meta building and role plays.

i lost faith in Riot after i got perma banned for going AP / attack speed trundle.

ridiculous.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but most of the champs that would abuse these masteries would be specing deep in to the offense tree while only going as far as Indomitable in the defense tree. Referring to the "Rincent" mastery set-up of 19/11 which started as a set up for bruisers in top lane by the end of the season even AD carries like Aphromoo were running. Because not only can you freeze your lane if you have to but it drastically reduces the damage you take from trades in lane when lots of minions are present.

However I feel like this mastery set-up only became popular because the return from the percentage based damage masteires, Executioner and Havoc, turned out to be lack luster at best when you really looked at the numbers. So in the end throwing two points in the defense tree benefits heavy damage dealers better than taking what was supposed to be the "big reward" for going 21 points in offense.

So my question is will we see significant changes to Executioner and Havoc to make them more worth while? Or will they perhaps be replaced? Since Indomitable is being removed I feel like going full 21 points or more in the Offense tree needs to be made more appealing.

P.S. If you are replacing Executioner consider naming the end of the tree Offense mastery "Tons of Damage" :-D

that is an awsome idea..... plz riot. look into that option. my supports will loveyou forever! no more allie minons killing me.

Barrier is just a "weaker temporary" heal.

It allows Akali to win early 2v1s. You can't Ignite 2 people, nor does it give any sudden burst AP. 40% ASPD early game is also good on her.
Ignite also has a MUCH LONGER COOLDOWN.