This is the second half of a conversation, the great RiotNome came into DD chat to talk about Dominion with us. By the way, high elo players go into DominateDominion chat room.
Ardnalis: akin to GP's poisons
HaIfhearted: for like a minute straight
admron: people freaking out way too much about BFT though since
admron: S3 items on the way
HaIfhearted: never ran out of charges despite always having my spells on him
Drakylon: Entropy would be better if its damage was on-hit instant instead of a DoT
otirruborez: that's a long ways away
admron: It is a long ways away because they're getting the items right
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AlphaFerric: a truedamage on hit? my irelia says yes please
HaIfhearted: i personally think a ghostblade-esque buff would go a long ways towards balancing torch, if you dont want to remove the burn
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Drakylon: It's already pretty much a true damage on-hit, except over time
AlphaFerric: or just reducing th number of charges/regen of cahrges
HaIfhearted: because then it becomes a combat active, and you dont have to worry about **** like teemo shrooms
AlphaFerric: but theres fewer options there for players
admron: charges seem fine to me if you can get the regen/# correct
HaIfhearted: as it is now, charges shouldnt start regenning until at least 2-3 seconds later than they do
Drakylon: Why not make the burn an active with a reasonable duration and cooldown?
HaIfhearted: and max charges are too high
ViolentlyCar: I got like seven autoattack kills that game
ViolentlyCar: as AP Malz
Orphane: first 6 minutes of the game is a 4v5
RiotNome: @drakylon, because then it's just ****ty DFG
Orphane: what the **** do you think is going to happen, you ***?
DrytharStarthra: Nome I've put forward 3 or 4 ideas on the playerbase problem. Any feedback?
RiotNome: i agree with them
RiotNome: hard not to agree
RiotNome: dumb not to agree really
RiotNome: just most of it's out of my hands
admron: I'm surprised you made it -7 charges nome because
RiotNome: kind of have to lobby for them
admron: Most numbers changes go for the random round numbers
ViolentlyCar: I'm not so confident in my post
admron: because people like them
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admron: 18 instead of 15 or 20
Señor Applebeef: so teemo with BFT is pretty stupid
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admron: people's minds will be boggled!
otirruborez: just ban him senor
Señor Applebeef: wasnt doing draft
DrytharStarthra: I feel like your the Chess Club president going into the Studant Council asking for anything, new chess peices and the football captain laughing at you.
AlphaFerric: I wasn't around when LoL was in beta/S1, how did it become such a popular game in the midst of sc2. Maybe similar reasoning can get dom off the ground?
Gandair: i love that analogy so much <3
DrytharStarthra: We appreciate you immensely. What is the general feeling about dominion as a gamemode around the office?
otirruborez: do you have population numbers for dominion?
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RiotNome: can't answer that drythar
RiotNome: i do, but i can't share them
admron: Nome gets swirlies =(
otirruborez: feels like less than 1000
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RiotNome: not that low
RiotNome: dom has more players than tf2 probably
AlphaFerric: can we play this game legally? Less than 10k?
otirruborez: at once you mean?
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admron: lol what is this
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RiotNome: active users, probably
Ardnalis: Was about to say
admron: Nod twice if there are 30k+ users
RiotNome: likely concurrent as well
admron: Wink three times if 50k
RiotNome: but remember
Ardnalis: Then again, TF2 is incredibly old at this point
RiotNome: has a huge chunk of players
otirruborez: he basically said 50k+ concurrent
AlphaFerric: fuuuuu china?? Do they have dom numbers?
RiotNome: across all realms
Suzuran Turnip: do they rush deathcap
admron: Is there a big disparity in dominion popularity across regions?
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RiotNome: back to work
AlphaFerric: ah okay
otirruborez: tf2 hovers around 50k
Ardnalis: have fun nome
AlphaFerric: thanks nome!
Genericke: Something I found interesting was how few people actually take revive according to LoLking on dominion. Makes me think that there's a lot more going on at lower elo than we know about.
Gandair: thanks for stopping by
DrytharStarthra: Well we don't want you telling us anything that could get you in trouble. We don't want you -not- coming back in here. Kinda like having a girl over and grabbing her *** randomly.
DrytharStarthra: She's not gonna come back.
DrytharStarthra: thanks for coming in and we appreciate it
Gandair: yes she did...
admron: That metaphor
RiotNome: comment in my kitae's/entropy thread
Drakylon: @Nome: For BFT, you could lower its damage more on DoT effects, or lower its duration to only when the damage is being dealt to prevent abuse
Ardnalis: depends on the girl
DrytharStarthra: a nice girl
AlphaFerric: get me unbanned from the forums!!!
Gandair: Drythar is the only one allowed to make metaphors/similies/anaolgies, ever
admron: he explained that that isn't mechanically feasible
Orphane: i just commented
DrytharStarthra: time to go check out the entropy thread
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admron: short version is, abilities are flagged Single/DoT/AOE for things like rylais etc
admron: Teemo Shrooms = aoe
Drakylon: Aren't they flagged for BFT as well for reduced damage?
admron: No, BFT damage is always full
ViolentlyCar: I feel like Kitae's
Fabs457: i think he did mention that the tic duration will be reduced from 3->2sec
RiotNome: quick explanation for how these things work
ViolentlyCar: and in general, percent health items
admron: in the new version
ViolentlyCar: favour tanky bruiser guys
RiotNome: we do two types of tagging
ViolentlyCar: but the item is a pure DPS item
Drakylon: I'm pretty sure BFT had a flag for AoE and DoT
ViolentlyCar: so it doesn't really appeal to anyone
admron: The old TT-only version did, Drak
ViolentlyCar: except weird bot lane cases like Nunu or Udyr
otirruborez: why don't you halve damage for aoe
RiotNome: 1. damage type: magic/physical/true/internal
Drakylon: It dealt reduced damage for AoE effects in beta, I know that much
otirruborez: like spellvamp
otirruborez: or 33%
RiotNome: internal being a damage type for designers to **** around with
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otirruborez: 2.5% on aoe
HaIfhearted: yo nome, theres actually something ive been meaning to ask you for awhile
HaIfhearted: is there some chance you can tweak the dominion passive aura to reduce healtlh COSTs on abilities?
HaIfhearted: becuase right now vlad just kills himself withhis own abilities, and doesnt really gain anything
Orphane: vlad and morde
Orphane: kill themselves
RiotNome: 2. effect type: single/AoE/DoT/proc/persist/attack/etc
HaIfhearted: vlad especially
Ardnalis: Oh, hey, Nome, before I forgot: A quick yes/no: Does TT have some kind of mana regen aura? I swear it seems it does but I couldn't google a source saying yes
Orphane: TT does
HaIfhearted: it does
RiotNome: effect type is why this is such a huge freaking issue
Orphane: it's 1.5% per 1% mana missing
Ardnalis: okay, so I wans't going insane
RiotNome: and it's why i hate working with this sometimes
admron: TT has 150% chalice, ardanalis
RiotNome: when we apply damage
RiotNome: we can only give it one effect type
RiotNome: this is why teemo shrooms are AoE, and not AoE+DoT
RiotNome: this is why ezreal's Q and gangplank's Q apply on-hits
otirruborez: can't you just make the item do half damage on aoe?
DevlJoe: this game sux
RiotNome: because they're tagged as effect type ATTACK
admron: Couldn't you add a new flag that is "AOEDOT"
otirruborez: like spellvamp is worse for aoe
Ardnalis: So the way to fix BFT on Teemo is to turn it into AoE+DoT and have it not trigger on Dots?
otirruborez: and rylai
admron: and change the relevent abilities?
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RiotNome: that's also why they don't apply rylai's... because rylai's only works for single/AoE/DoT types
RiotNome: no, the way to fix teemo is to nerf his ***
otirruborez: sounds like you guys need to overhaul
Commando Teemo: -.-
Ardnalis: tee hee
Orphane: the way to fix teemo is to remove him
Commando Teemo: So Nome
DrytharStarthra: lmao..Nome hates Teemo, for the record books
Commando Teemo: What are you planning with teemo?
zimike: is teemo a thing on sr atm?>
Orphane: also quoting nome on that
RiotNome: i think i've convinced live team to get something in for 1.72
RiotNome: either base damage nerf on shrooms or ratio
RiotNome: possibly hit E ratio
HaIfhearted: base would be nice
HaIfhearted: i think the rest of his kit is mostly fine
Commando Teemo: Do you intend for Teemo to be played on hit instead?
zimike: its mostly the shrooms that are a problem on domi
HaIfhearted: just the shrooms do WAY to much damage
Commando Teemo: Or do you just hate AP teemo?
Orphane: you are a gentleman and a scholar, nome
RiotNome: i love teemo
Orphane: just sayin'
admron: Don't hit teemo E-ratio!
RiotNome: i'm also an *******
zimike: its not just the damage tho, its a game mode that has wards disabled
RiotNome: that's why i8 like him
Subqt: NO WAY
RiotNome: yeah nid's hot now
HaIfhearted: mmmm, nidalee visual upgrade
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zimike: so skills that are a bonus effect of "free ward" in sr are a primary effect of "ward" in dominion
HaIfhearted: one of the most annoying to figiht champions just got sexier
Orphane: too bad people will still suck at nid!
otirruborez: teemo needs his e ratio
Gandair: Riku would need to update her costume
otirruborez: without that his dmg without shrooms is pathetic
Gandair: i support this idea
Orphane: also now her traps are like
ViolentlyCar: yeah zimike
Orphane: actually visible
Ardnalis: I still find it hilarious that Teemo was considered a troll/bad pick no more than 3 months ago. With one small fix to his E he became very good, and a new item sent him overboard.
Commando Teemo: So Rome, Teemo isn't seeing much play on modes that aren't dominion, why does he deserve a nerf?
DrytharStarthra: I think Teemo is not that big a problem in the lower to mid elo's to be honest
Commando Teemo: And thats true ardnalis
otirruborez: that was not a small fix
DrytharStarthra: high elo people are the ones who build him AP/CDR/Mpen
RCIX: honestly, all teemo needs is some way to force shrooms only to be triggered in combat
otirruborez: that was a massive buff
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Subqt: I just came
DrytharStarthra: low elo people build him AD and on hit
Subqt: maid nidalee
DrytharStarthra: volandum, you missed most of the Riotnome visit
RiotNome: Teemo is really popular on TT, and apparently is an issue on SR
Ardnalis: it was a relatively small one, I'm talking before the ratio got buffed
otirruborez: bruiser teemo can still 1v1 almost any champ
Ardnalis: when they fixed it applying the tick
zimike: TT also has the disabled wards issue
RCIX: like, you have to have e poison on a target to pop a shroom
RiotNome: he was already on live team's radar
Orphane: well teemo is popular for the same reason he's op on Dom
Orphane: free ******* wards
DrytharStarthra: well I can tell you, Teemo's popularity on TT is the fact that they don't have wards
Orphane: wards that deal damage and slow to boot
DrytharStarthra: most of his appeal
Ardnalis: and dont give gold
DrytharStarthra: and of course BFT
Commando Teemo: Well most Teemos on TT also lose
HaIfhearted: yo Nome, is there any chance you can ask the live team to increas teh cooldown on kassadins ult?
RiotNome: anyway back to work comment on kitae's/entropy
RiotNome: iwanna remake those things
Orphane: also French made nidalee
Ardnalis: Well, unless its TT or an ashe/TF is around, then they do
ViolentlyCar: Nome: maybe just remove Kitae's and replace with BotRK?
DrytharStarthra: I think both have alot of potential
RCIX: entropy is
zimike: botrk would be terror on dominion D:
Volandum: I think Entropy is just slightly too expensive.
Drakylon: Kitae's does no damage currently
RCIX: its an ad version of fm but too expensive
ViolentlyCar: I feel like Entropy just suffers too much from not being Trinity Force
otirruborez: kitaes does more damage than bft =0
Orphane: the main problem with kitae's is the ad needs to get the **** out of the recipe
Volandum: If Entropy were slightly cheaper it would be quite good.
Ardnalis: bft can be applied then you run away/kite
Ardnalis: kitaes is onhit
Orphane: the same dissonance with madred's is the same with kitae's
RCIX: my dream is it becomes a stacking 5% slow
Drakylon: It suffers from the same problem that Bloodrazor does imo, albiet less so
ViolentlyCar: Triforce gives you move speed, mana, and often more damage
zimike: entropy actually sees some play at high elo domi
RCIX: but thatll never happen :<
Orphane: that was originally intede for "ad carries build this to counter health stack"
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ViolentlyCar: it's more expensive, sure, but not too much more
Orphane: that was horrible design intent
otirruborez: crits counter health stack =0
Orphane: they need to remove the ad and just make it specifically for on-hit builds
Drakylon: Except tanks also have MR, which basically lowers that Kitae's damage to nothing
ViolentlyCar: like I said
Orphane: because on-hit builds scale better with proc power/attack speed
ViolentlyCar: things that deal damage based on your opponent's stats
Drakylon: It'd probably be better if it dealt physical damage
otirruborez: i like the ad on it
Orphane: or magic pen
Ardnalis: its meant to vary your damage some
ViolentlyCar: are going to favour tanky characters
otirruborez: more hybrid damage is good
Ardnalis: see jayce for why this is good
ViolentlyCar: and Kitae's has no tanky stats on it
Drakylon: So that AD carries' armor pen benefits it
Orphane: so they should just redesign kitaes specifically for on-hit builds
RCIX: ok so i remember reading that tanks dont actually have a ton more health than squishies
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RCIX: so why not make it flat true damage
otirruborez: cause we have irelia
Ardnalis: flat % or flat-flat?
Orphane: that would make irelia
Gandair: what are these weird *** cup icons?
Orphane: abusive again
RCIX: sure it gives damage
ViolentlyCar: true damage has a lot of "feel bad" baggage with it
Orphane: s2 elo icons gandair
RCIX: but youd get more from actual ad against squishies
Ardnalis: S1 gave icons too
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RCIX: not flat percent
RCIX: flat flat
Drakylon: Also, Wit's End already deals flat "true" damage
RCIX: its magic lol
RCIX: tanks have mres
13rock: green is diamond?