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Riot has nerfed Armor Pen Runes

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Guy Deathscare ?? Senior Member
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11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by Solo Mid Nasus View Post
I like how riot says they are nerfing ranged AD then give them a ton of sweet items and now this.

When do you see ranged AD running anything besides +15 AD on their runes?

Who actually uses armor pen runes? oh wait thats right bruisers top lane and some junglers.

good work again riot.
and to further the tank fest....

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Originally Posted by Solo Mid Nasus View Post
I like how riot says they are nerfing ranged AD then give them a ton of sweet items and now this.

When do you see ranged AD running anything besides +15 AD on their runes?

Who actually uses armor pen runes? oh wait thats right bruisers top lane and some junglers.

good work again riot.
There are actually quite a few AD carries where running Armor Penetration runes is viable on... with the new way how they work even more so.

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Geomexis ?? Senior Member
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11-20-2012

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Originally Posted by Solo Mid Nasus View Post
I like how riot says they are nerfing ranged AD then give them a ton of sweet items and now this.

When do you see ranged AD running anything besides +15 AD on their runes?

Who actually uses armor pen runes? oh wait thats right bruisers top lane and some junglers.

good work again riot.
They stated way ahead of time that all penetration stat were being going to get a nerf to balance out the new way they're calculated.

Also, nerfing the gold bounty of minions, crit, and, attack speed affects who the most? Oh that's right, the carries.

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Seems reasonable they don't want you to be doing true damage up through midgame without spending in game gold on penetration.
I'm always tempted to spend money on penetration, but people tell me it's dirrrty.

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Give the whole story. Flat ArP like runes now apply after % drops in armor like last whisper. If your opponent had 100 armor and after masteries and LW they would have X effective armor.

Live:
X = (100 - 12) * .6 *.9 = 47.52

PBE
X = 100 * .6 * .9 - 9 = 45

So it's a buff!
but what your not considering is if they lower all amour pen then its just negated and might be a nerf.

your math is based on if you have the same amour pen now and in the future.

So then its a nerf.

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Mr M0nday ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Majben View Post
Give the whole story. Flat ArP like runes now apply after % drops in armor like last whisper. If your opponent had 100 armor and after masteries and LW they would have X effective armor.

Live:
X = (100 - 12) * .6 *.9 = 47.52

PBE
X = 100 * .6 * .9 - 9 = 45

So it's a buff!

Incorrect calculations good sir.

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but what your not considering is if they lower all amour pen then its just negated and might be a nerf.

your math is based on if you have the same amour pen now and in the future.

So then its a nerf.
Granted, speaking of a buff is idiotic when you don't know the values yet... But so is speaking of nerfs.
The whole idea of the changes to the runes is that it balances out with the change. And I'm almost certain that Riot has some people employed that are able to run calculations, so I doubt it will be a nerf overall.

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Well then if you make page arpen which consist red and quints after this new number applied will be a total 19 Arpen, when the old number give 25 arpen.

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Alyran ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by VoidKenny View Post
but what your not considering is if they lower all amour pen then its just negated and might be a nerf.

your math is based on if you have the same amour pen now and in the future.

So then its a nerf.
To be fair, you're also not considering a very important factor: the increased price and lowered abundance of armor.

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