Originally Posted by Grollm

But you are taking away necessary cs from your carry to get your AP items. AP Soraka was actually a tier 1 AP carry in Twisted Treeline ranked, I don't know how she fairs now, but she used to be in the old TT. Also your heal is only 45% of AP scaling, so with 100 AP(which is a lot of AP) you are only adding 45 more health healed, you are better off just stacking cdr if you want to heal more and it's less expensive to build. Also your claim that AP soraka can do 500-700 dps where are you coming up with that number? A full AP build Soraka with Rabadons, Rylais, Abyssal Scepter, Will of the Ancients, and Void Staff has about 470 AP. 470x .40(the AP scaling of her starfall) is 188. Her starfall at max level does 160 damage. 160+188 is nowhere near 500-700. And even if you are trying to compute DPS(damage per second) the cooldown is 2.5 seconds so you have to divide that number by 2.5, which gives you 139.2 dps. AP soraka does the most damage with her infuse which has a 75% scaling with AP so a full AP build will do around 602.5 damage with one infuse(same math 470 x .75 + base damage of infuse at max level 250). And all this math is "true damage"not taking into account magic pen or defenses, for purely theoretical situations. And your claim that "pure support"Soraka is only viable with a "god adc"is also incorrect, considering she is the 3rd most played support 8.41% of the time, with a win rate of 48.77%. Taric is the number 1 support played with 43.62% played and a win rate of 53.82% and Sona is 2nd with 22.62% and a win rate of 52.37%. So sir, if you are going to make your broad sweeping claims, back it up with data, not with bs. Like I said take what you say with a grain of salt

Originally Posted by foxfire100

Let me fix your math...

First, I took AP Soraka mid. I didn't steal any CS from my AD carry. As far as "stealing CS" at all - the ONLY time I "steal CS" as a support is when after 3 minutes I realize my AD carry fails at last-hitting. If 2 waves go by and they only have 1 last-hit then I either let 90% of all minions go to waste, or I make sure SOMEONE on our team gets the gold.

No for the math corrections. First, 100 AP is NOT a lot. A good AP build has Rabadon's Deathcap, Void Staff, Rylai's, Abyssal, Zhonya's, and boots.

Rabby Cap = 140 AP
Void Staff = 70 AP
Rylai's = 80 AP
Abyssal = 70 AP
Zhonya's = 100 AP

Plus runes/masteries giving me about 30 AP

So I'm at 490 base AP, plus 30% from Rabby Cap plus 5% from Archmage mastery. That adds 171.5 AP

Total AP? 661.5

This adds 297 health to her heal, NOT 45.

Her starcall is doing 424.6 damage and lowing magic resist. Between MrPen masteries, MrPen runes, void staff, and this you're practically doing true damage. This is a far cry from the 348 you gave.

The 500-700 number is the damage output per second in a team fight. Hit 5 people every 2.5 seconds = effectively hit one person per 0.5 seconds

424.6 / 0.5 = 849.2 damage per second at full build (500-700 before full build)

Although if you want to play the 1-on-1 DPS game she still outputs as much damage as any AD carry at level 1 with starcall and AP runes/masteries.

Originally Posted by Nachozoid

What are your guys opinion on Brand Mid?

Originally Posted by jjb56

ever try AP Soraka vs a Katarina? Soraka is my counter-pick. The MR passive and the silence prevent extreme bursts, as well as the heal helping with sustain. Plus, if the jungler walks by without blue, you can refill their mana. Way too many people are afraid of trying something new.

Originally Posted by foxfire100

"Safe" picks in any lane is nearly impossible since everyone has counters and if the opponent is good you'll lose regardless.

I usually pick Katarina as my "safe pick" simply because a lot of people don't know how to play against her and don't know what counters her. Diana? Beat her 5 times, never lost. Syndra? Beat her twice, never lost. Malzahar? Beat him 3 times, never lost. Kassadin? Beat him twice, lost once. But even as Katarina there are some champs that are extremely difficult for me: Nunu can consume off any dagger harass and his ice balls hurt WAY too much and have the same range as pretty much all of my abilities. Galio just builds magic resist and gets damage so I can't hurt him.

I would honestly say the "safest" mid pick for you is whoever you play best. You can take Anivia or Ryze since they're considered safe, but if you aren't good with them you'll lose, anyway. If you're thinking about spending 2 weeks practicing a "safe" pick so that you can get good with them, I'd look into anti-assassins: Fizz and Heimerdinger come to mind. I don't know who else off the top of my head is labeled anti-assassin.

Originally Posted by ReigningLegend

if u never lost to any of those champs you must be like 500 elo, theres virtually nothing kat can do vs diana or kass