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Peligrad ?? Senior Member
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11-27-2012

Fiora has the single worst kit in the game...

Her passive is worth less than a regrowth pendent...

Her Ripost is the worst defensive CD in the game...

Her burst of speed is completely mitigated by a short CC...

So at the end of the day she has lunge and blade waltz for her whole kit...

She has no inherent sustain...if you say her passive, you need to be slapped for being stupid and then go look at the numbers...

She has no CC.

She has no CC reduction.

Fiora is terrible and she does need a rework.

She is one of the least picked champions and has one of the lowest win rates past bronze ELO...

 
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as Desolator ?? Senior Member
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11-27-2012

lets take a look people and see, First of all Fiora is like Yi massive damage what does that bring in a team fight? alot its like rengar one free kill if she targets one person meaning 4v5 and i dont think a team with 4 players can take out 5 champions, like yi if they are fed or even doing bad they do alot of damage, Even jax what does he bring in a team fight? just a stun like fiora but even jax 0/4/5 can do alot of damage, i dont agree with buff or rework because thats how fiora is either you dont play her or you do, but my ideas are correct to me, you may not think so but i do and its the truth thats what fiora is suppose to do.

 
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HateDaddy ?? Senior Member
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11-27-2012

It's not that Fiora herself needs a rework, it's that there's really no place for melee ad carries in the game currently. They all have to get insanely fed to carry otherwise, they get CC'd once and blown the hell up in team fights. Season 3 items look to help her and other melee carries out a little so let's revisit this once we've gone into Season 3 a little bit,

 
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Peligrad ?? Senior Member
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11-27-2012

No Fiora needs a rework...

It's not a matter of skill...it's a matter of kit power. Her kit blows big floppy donkey peni$.

Her base stats are some of the worst in the game. She doesn't excel in any stat...and she has one of the lowest hp regens in the game. With her passive fully stacked her HP regen is barely on par with others...

Now lets look at lunge. Compare lunge against a similar skill...Renekton's slice/dice.

Lunge's AD ratio is .6 to slice/dice's .9. The base damage is 140 compared to sliced/dice 150. That's without fury charged too. So it deals less damage base and has a was smaller AD ratio. Oh...and it costs mana and it needs a target to be used...

Next look at Riposte...compare it to Jax's counter strike.

Riposte: Passive: Fiora's Attack Damage is increased by 15/20/25/30/35.

Active: Fiora parries the next basic attack within 1.5 seconds and reflects 60/110/160/210/260 (+1AP) magic damage back to the attacker. Works against champions, monsters, and large minions.

Counter Strike: Jax enters a defensive stance for up to 2 seconds, dodging all incoming basic attacks and taking 25% less damage from area effect abilities.

After 2 seconds or if activated again, Jax stuns surrounding enemies for 1 second and deals 50/75/100/125/150 (+0.5AD) physical damage to them.

Counter Strike deals 20% more damage for each attack Jax dodged (max: 100% increased damage).

So Jax's skill blocks all auto attacks for a longer duration to Fiora's 1 auto attack with a 1.5 sec window. Plus it has a higher potential base damage of 300 hundred against Fiora's 260, plus it scales off AD rather than AP, plus it has an AoE stun, plus it mitigates 25% of incoming AoE damage.

I think all that is plenty worth the pitiful 35 AD that Riposte gives...

Now look at burst of speed: The skill just gives AS unless you auto attack. So it's useless for chasing or escaping unless you are able to use lunges...

And it only lasts a pitiful 3 seconds...so if the opponent has any CC at all the skill is a waste.

Couple that with an enormous 11 second CD...and you have another bad skill.

Finally her passive...wow her passive is bad...

Fiora regenerate 7+1/level health over 6 seconds each time she deals damage stacking up to 4 times against players...

It doesn't sound too bad until you consider her base hp regen sucks balls so this is merely making the difference to put her on par with what Riven has inherently...

And the fact that it barely scales with level at all...

And the fact she has no other sustain besides this...

And the fact that she can't win trades early on so hitting players isn't an option anyway...

Her ultimate is good. I'll give Riot that. It's unique. It's powerful. It scales well with item purchases. It allows Fiora to do something in a team fight before she explodes.

But that is all Fiora has...an ultimate. Her lunge is just a little under-tuned...a small fix to the AD ratio would make it fine. But the rest of her kit needs a total rework...

Like this one:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/...9#post31440899

 
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11-27-2012

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Originally Posted by D4 Gu1t4r View Post
People think Fiora needs a rework? I've never heard of this.

True, she doesn't have any cc, or heals, and has 1 multi-target hit...not all champions do, that's what items are for.

Phage/Frozen Mallet/Trinity Force. Now can slow enemies.

Wriggle's Lantern, BT, etc. Now she has sustain from lifesteal.

Tiamat. Free aoe damage.
She has a heal.. it's her passive, and it gives her crazy sustain in lane.

 
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Peligrad ?? Senior Member
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11-27-2012

7+1/level hp regen over 6 seconds is crazy sustain?

No...not at all.

At level 1 its decent...

By level 4 it's lack luster...

By level 9 Fiora has no passive...

Even at level 1 it is not "crazy"...

WW, Yorick, and Xin have "Crazy" self healing...not Fiora...

To mitigate one rank 1 reckless swing from an olaf; even with 4 stacks constantly healing it would take 1 minute and 15 seconds to regen 100 hp (level 1).

For Xin to do the same thing...it would take him 12 auto attacks against anything...

For WW to do the same thing...he'd have to auto attack the same target 12 times, or use hungering strike twice (and he'd have 20 hp extra)

For Yorick to do the same thing...his ghoul would have to attack something 6 times...

Fiora's sustain is not crazy...its sub-par...

 
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She has a heal.. it's her passive, and it gives her crazy sustain in lane.
Her passive heal is pathetic and is completely worthless if your lane opponent hits you with anything. At level 18 she gets 25hp over 6 seconds if she attacks a minion and 100 over 6 seconds if she attacks a champion. 1 auto attack from a support player in 6 seconds negates her passive's maximum healing potential, that's how pathetic her "crazy sustain" passive is.

The only way Fiora has a chance of staying alive after being targeted is if she ults and has decent damage and some lifesteal. If she is lacking decent numbers in either the damage or lifesteal category she will get destroyed when her ult finishes too.

 
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Originally Posted by as Desolator View Post
shes a kick ass jungler/top laner and op at 3v3, i say she doesn't she's like tryndamere if you feed them they are scary af, ive seen my brother go 18/4! how can people say she needs a rework shes fine how she is, you need to play her better or something
Idk, personally, I think shes amazing, maybe not in competitive platinum+ play but she is beast. My favorite build on her is 4 tiamats, a bloodthirster, and boots. You can complete all that by 30 mins in no problem and then when you ult, you can easily take out 2-3-4-PENTA KILL. I mean she has passive attack speed and movement speed. Why not. And even when you play her with a normal build, she hits hard, her ult screws people up. Just fix the bug where stealth stops her ult

 
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Peligrad ?? Senior Member
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11-27-2012

The problem with that Wrathful...is that at about 1250 ELO people start looking at Fiora's build and saying "Fiora is stacking Tiamats don't stand close to eachother in team fights...

Then unless your team has a Darius or Diana or Orianna to clump them up for you, you only hit 1 person...none of the Tiamat damage hits players and you're worthless....

 
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footfoe ?? Senior Member
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11-27-2012

she certainly can not jungle.

She just has a really rough lane-ing phase. if she makes it through that she can dominate with some good items.

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