Originally Posted by Statikk

No, we have no intention of making Talon unviable, we're simply looking to find a balance for him in the context of Season 3.

The reality is that many of our AD casters were tuned to a state where they could exist in Season 2 with extremely poor itemization that was non-ideal for them.

We now created an environment where they have legitimate optimal item paths and the numbers are now out of balance.

The question to ask ourselves is if Black Cleaver is still too strong for AD Carries like MF or Graves. If we were to nerf Black Cleaver, it may become impossible to even think of building it on non AD Casters.

Looking at any strong item with above 3000+ gold cost will show a high win rate because if you have the resources to buy an item of this tier, you are most likely ahead in the first place. Items are not only an indicator of your future success but also a reflection of your past success. Any decently strong high tier item should statistically look and feel "overpowered."

As a closing note here, there is a buff to Talon that is impossible for the dataminers to get to. We are fixing a bug where the damage amplification from Cutthroat was not actually working.

Originally Posted by Tyko

and they're buffing alistar

dear lord

Originally Posted by Stereopsis

Talon is not OP by any means. He just beats most AP mids (like Pantheon, Kha'Zix, Caitlyn, Sivir) because he is an assassin with a SILENCE that deals PHYSICAL DAMAGE which is strong because most AP's have LOW BASE ARMOR. That's why he's good mid, and nowhere else. Nerfing a champion with a niche strategy (ahem, Urgot) is stupid.

Nerfing a champion(s) around a broken item (has flat and % armor reduction, who's idea was that?) is not smart.

Originally Posted by A Swarm of Koala

Well still, 15% is a lot, and talon hits dang hard. If it says you do 1k damage, you'd think someone somewhere would have seen that you do considerably less.

Originally Posted by gypsylord

Certainly not. I found this bug recently. If we had found it a year ago we would have fixed it a year ago.

Originally Posted by gypsylord

Certainly not. I found this bug recently. If we had found it a year ago we would have fixed it a year ago.

Originally Posted by gypsylord

Me actually. I found it while fiddling around with a champion prototype (which has since been trashed). I wanted my guy's spells to amp his autoattack damage so I copied some of Talon's scripts. While testing the amp I accidentally set it to -100%. Suddenly my autos were putting out big red zeros for the damage text while still managing to red bar the bots I was testing them on.