Looks like some positive steps riot, though longer, que's i have had some really fun, close games this past week.
Questions when queing for non-ranked 5's (group of irl friends);
Primarily, three of us have 600+ wins, break even to +10% win/loss (ish), one has about 300 wins, and the last only has 150-200 wins, and is much lower elo.
Do premade 5's match with premade 5's exclusively in draft/blind non-ranked? We have consistently run into a situation where this lower experience, lower elo play cannot feasibly play with us. After playing with him in 2's and 3's (vs. the 5's- still 5v5 format) it would appear he gets matched with D's/F's (A-F; i know A-F is overly simplified and bad scale for comparison, but works for the rough idea) if not in a 5 man premade. He has to lane against something more akin to a B's/C's any time we 5 que. The difference is drastic, where he may go 50/50 in performance in those smaller ques it goes to roughly 05/95 in performance in 5 man (still unranked) que. Most noticeably he recently had to lane vs a person who had 400 wins on any of us (over a 1000 different to him) with something like a 20-25% win/loss ratio. The short version is we basically had to stop playing with (and have that akward conversation) an irl friend since there isn't a 'pub' mode. Eg, games that have no matchmaking system would pair you randomly with any and all skill levels so you would have hard games and easy games in any given lane. Pubs without matchmaking would be the quintessential, 'you win some you lose some'. While a 'pub' mode would be interesting to consider, obviously wouldn't be popular in most situations.
Just curious on how this scenario works in the matchmaking system and personally don't see a real solution. Short answer seems that you can't really play full premade with friends of various skill levels and experience levels, especially when there is such a significant gap on the team. With this game being so heavily reliant on all the players you can only carry so much and walking in 4v5 isn't much of a starter