Definitely Jax.
As for mages, I would say Cassiopeia, ridiculous sustain damage and poison.

Jax hasnt been the best duelist since his rework, he lost dmg output and tons of life, a constant dodge/stun mechanic etc.

top lane malphite, riven, singed, jayce, olaf , ryze, kennen easily roll jax

secondly it's not burst if its over 5 seconds, doesnt matter on how much it hits for, its still -over time- and its cooldown length doesnt determine if its burst or not.

considering how a qss breaks his ult, thats 70% of his "burst" gone.

the highest burst ap carry there is (one on one), is Leblanc, no contest anyone saying otherwise is delusional and no this is not my opinion, is she viable late game? no.

highest burst/sustained ap carry that is viable late game is Ryze or Cassiopia.

a jax can destroy a vayne
trinity - gunblade - thornmail/frozen heart, randuins - optional

keep in mind, thorn is to counter act lifesteal, frozen is to reduce her high attack speed which she gets, which severely gimps her ttk,

you're also overlooking the fact that vayne has prob one of the weakest early games in comparison to other adc's... sending her top in a 1vs1 lane against jax...jax just needs one form of sustain (hex revolver or vamp scepter) + a phage to win his lane indefinitely, excluding the trades he would win before that.

it's easy to win your lane early as renekton, his midgame is his strongest point, he falls off a lot late game, and i mean alot.

you can use the same logic as nasus, early game might be a struggle, passive and farm, mid eh, gets 1 kill over you at mid game with decent farm he will snowball, and has a 2x scarier lategame than renekton.


Jax -was- made to win 1vs1 fights, with changes, nerfs, removal of mechanics and new champions added to the league, he isnt king anymore.

His intention was to be a 1vs1 champ, his current kit tries to do that but he falls short vs quite a big handful of people

Stuck between udyr, fiora, jax, olaf, xin xao, and everyother tanky briuser with cc or great gap closer.

Ok, Hetzer, let's cut the quote based on Jax and Malzahar to bits for examination now, shall we?

The Empower nerf honestly wasn't necessary, can't go wrong with you there. However, I don't honestly believe his damage output went down the toilet. He can still do - as we StarCraft 2 players say - "Terrible, Terrible Damage." I don't know about this life nerf, but I actually - and others probably do too - LIKE the new dodge mechanic. It gives an on-demand stun, AND gives a 100 frickin' percent dodge rate for 2 seconds, so no need for luck.

... You do realize half of the champs you named aren't really duelists at all. And the ones we CAN consider duelists don't exactly STOMP Jax.

Actual duelists you mentioned:

-Riven is actually a skill-based match, If you're stupid and can't dodge her wombo combo in lane, then you deserve to get hurt. You can actually beat her down in a 1v1 situation however because her major damage comes from long-cooldown-based skills, while yours is spammable.
-Jayce... Okay, he can and will be a b*tch. However, the trick here is to play smart and smack him whenever he misses his Gate Q-shots. For every time he misses when you dodge, it's mana he's wasted on empty space. The winner of this 1v1 goes to the smarter player, since I actually consider this equal.
-Olaf? Again, avoid Undertow, and punish him for doing so. The true damage hits may be a *****, but since his passive is Jax's but only when his hp goes down, that means more damage for the E skill.

The others you named are AP champs that use ranged harass attacks. Except for Singed. **** Singed. Running around spamming laugh, doing nothing but keeping Q up.

Have you heard of the "Hit minions twice, Leap Strike, Empower, Smack" Strategy? You'll be amazed by how much HP Jax takes out with that one burst attack and Leap Strike. Assuming no items, masteries or runes, that's 76.55+145+100+70, which is about 392 damage on initiation assuming no armor or mr. About 1/3 of Darius's HP. Also, he has a spammable skill that is not really too spammable(>2 seconds), so it causes burst. I mean, at 3 points on W, 145 instant extra damage to the enemy every 5 seconds? Yes plz.

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I don't get what you mean by this. I really don't. I don't see anywhere in QSS that take out damage. I thought it was an anti-CC item?

EDIT: My bad, this was about MALZAHAR.

Anyways, any sort of CC will be removed by QSS, so the point is moot. I've seen more damage done by Malefic Visions and the Silence ability than the ult anyways. LeBlanc's abilities can be canceled by a Negatron Cloak.

...First you talk about non-duelists in top, and now you talk about assassins? You're going way off-topic.

Wait... Why are you talking about champ viability in games all of a sudden when we're talking about duelists in this thread?

All in all, you made an almost completely irrelevant statement about Jax's and Malzahar's 1v1 capabilities in DUELS.

Malphite: anti-bruiser. No ****ing ****, of course he can handle Jax. Not a duelist
Riven: If her player is better than the Jax player, it's possible.
Singed: BAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Not a duelist
Jayce: Ehh...50/50, it's possible but equally possible for Jax to win.
Olaf: No, and not really a duelist
Ryze: No, and not a duelist
Kennen: No, and not a duelist

He lost his overpowered status. He's still does very well when played right. And he's still an insanely powerful duelist.
1. Sustained burst is still burst. It takes 2 seconds longer and ends up dealing more damage usually. The only time that sustained damage is not burst is when it's actual DPS, a la auto attacks or <2 second cooldowns.
2. I said "best duelist mage that ISN'T an anti-mage or assassin" meanwhile you mention Leblanc who actually has LESS burst than Malzahar AND is an anti-mage assassin. I've ran the numbers; Malzahar has the highest burst combo among all mages. Leblanc's highest burst is 1317(+3.76 AP), while Malzahar's highest is 1170+2.9, +24-40% HP +3%-5% per 100 AP. In order for his burst to match Leblanc's, his target needs a max HP of 613 HP. Oh, wait a minute, at that point the lowest HP is 1610.
3. So what if he has a counter in QSS? Leblanc gets countered by Negatron Cloak.
I said duelist, not top lane you moron. Vayne is the best duelist carry. Get it through your skull, duelist=/=top lane duelist=1v1 combatant. And among carries, Vayne has the best 1v1 damage output. Her entire kit is steroids, excluding E which is hard CC.

Yes, Jax can beat Vayne. That's like saying Leblanc can beat Annie, or that Shen can beat Darius. Outplaying by using a counter-archetype is completely common in this game. Not to mention you theorized Jax's full build without giving Vayne's build any thought. Such a simple person you are.
He was talking to me and the subject was changing to Malzahar and then Vayne.

He lost a lot more damage than you think...it's his itemization now...not jsut his empower nerf..


empower got hit with a nerf yea...but guess what Old jax passive was?

Old Jax passive:
AD and AP increased Jax's life,

Old Jax Ult:
he gains attack speed passively each time he attacks, he does X magic dmg on every 3rd hit

New Jax passive: they split his old ult in two, and made the atk speed his new passive
New Jax Ult: every 3rd hit does X magic dmg, ad/ap raises armor/mr for a short duration.

Old Jax you were able to go pretty much full "glass cannon" (highest dmg possible) on 4 items, and leave your 5th as an optional to counter the biggest threat on their team while having 4k life in full dps/dmg items

You didnt need a 5th counter item if you're fed, which he did often back then, go 5 monstreous damage items. and sport around 4300 life.

Using the same build now from back then he just has 2500-2700hp depending on runes with a tad less dmg on empowerer, the problem is, he literally is glass and drops like a fly, the minor icnrease to "tanky" stats during his ult is not enough.

you need to balance 2 defence items on him minimum, which directly affects your dmg, in comparison to what he was able to do before.

what made him a 1vsq monster was his huge HP pool with insane dmg /sustain dmg /sustain (lifesteal-vamp) and..and..and CONSTANT STUNS and and and constant dodges, meaning zero dmg taken....with gargantuan life..a fed jax was unstoppable.

He only has an on command stun now which honestly, people just stop hitting you and walk away and reinitiate. His rework just made him a viable jungler but destroyed his spot as a 1vs1 king and an auto win top.


and anyone who can handle themselves 1vs1 can be and is considered a "duelist" since, thats exactly what it means.

top is 1vs1, they go top, 1vs1 they stomp people, they won, 1vs1 is a duel, if they go 1vs1 against jax and jax loses, you cannot say that doesnt count you arent a duelist lol.

1vs1 jax falls to more people now then he did back then, its just that simple.

About the second point: Yeah, whoops, saw that mistake a bit too late, but commented nothing on the Vayne aspect. I didn't realize the subject changed to Malzahar until a bit later.

The first point: I'm sorry, but he calls Jax weak. I just snapped.

1v1 combat is a duel. A duelist, then, would be someone proficient in 1v1 combat.

Champions who are SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED for 1v1 combat are duelists. Not just anyone who does 1v1 combat.
Old Jax was broken. You could build pure offense, with the exception of Ninja Tabi for Dodge, and literally never die after you got your first couple kills. His old passive gave so much HP for building glass cannon.

So now he can't build glass cannon and win by rolling his face on a keyboard. Fancy that. Doesn't make him a worse duelist, it makes him take more thought (albeit not much more).
More than understandable. He also named like 5 champions that aren't duelists, simply because they can top lane.

typical younging, go and quote where i said Jax was weak?

i said he, in his current state, isnt as good as what he use to be.

get reading comprehension.

I never said he was weak or bad, he isnt gg i win always 1vs1 like you WANT to think he does,

he loses more 1vs1 match ups now then what he use to before,
previously 2 maybe 4 champ -could- beat a jax if they got lucky with the rng
now atleast 10 people can win 1vs1 against jax


if you think this current jax is stronger than the old jax...you got something wrong with you....i bet you think rework tryn is stronger than old tryn also...