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Hetžer ?? Senior Member
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More than understandable. He also named like 5 champions that aren't duelists, simply because they can top lane.
This has to be the most stupid comment I've read all week.

you go top 1vs1, you lose as Jax, "doesnt count you arent a duelist, just cuz ur standing in top lane doesnt mean anything"

fight him anywhere else, same champion(s) 1vs1, "doesnt count i lost in river, you arent a duelist"

"even though a duel means a one on one, you beat me one on one, doesnt count cuz my opinion says you arent a duelist, even though you have mechanics to win 1vs1"

 
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He lost a lot more damage than you think...it's his itemization now...not jsut his empower nerf..


empower got hit with a nerf yea...but guess what Old jax passive was?

Old Jax passive:
AD and AP increased Jax's life,

Old Jax Ult:
he gains attack speed passively each time he attacks, he does X magic dmg on every 3rd hit

New Jax passive: they split his old ult in two, and made the atk speed his new passive
New Jax Ult: every 3rd hit does X magic dmg, ad/ap raises armor/mr for a short duration.

Old Jax you were able to go pretty much full "glass cannon" (highest dmg possible) on 4 items, and leave your 5th as an optional to counter the biggest threat on their team while having 4k life in full dps/dmg items

You didnt need a 5th counter item if you're fed, which he did often back then, go 5 monstreous damage items. and sport around 4300 life.

Using the same build now from back then he just has 2500-2700hp depending on runes with a tad less dmg on empowerer, the problem is, he literally is glass and drops like a fly, the minor icnrease to "tanky" stats during his ult is not enough.

you need to balance 2 defence items on him minimum, which directly affects your dmg, in comparison to what he was able to do before.

what made him a 1vsq monster was his huge HP pool with insane dmg /sustain dmg /sustain (lifesteal-vamp) and..and..and CONSTANT STUNS and and and constant dodges, meaning zero dmg taken....with gargantuan life..a fed jax was unstoppable.

He only has an on command stun now which honestly, people just stop hitting you and walk away and reinitiate. His rework just made him a viable jungler but destroyed his spot as a 1vs1 king and an auto win top.


and anyone who can handle themselves 1vs1 can be and is considered a "duelist" since, thats exactly what it means.

top is 1vs1, they go top, 1vs1 they stomp people, they won, 1vs1 is a duel, if they go 1vs1 against jax and jax loses, you cannot say that doesnt count you arent a duelist lol.

1vs1 jax falls to more people now then he did back then, its just that simple.
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Ah, that's right. The old passive. The one that made Atma's broken... huehuehue. I remember now.

Anyways, Jax is still a nightmare when "squishy"(meaning no HP items built, except for Triforce). A Warmog's could be nice, but I still win 1v1s vs tanks due to the new sustain items. S3 may have been a bit ****, but Jax benefitted quite nicely. He is a counter to the tanky meta with BotRK, Zephyr, and IBG in hand. Too much sustain to die, even without tankiness. Tanky without being tanky. Who knew.

As for your last paragraph(s)

... I really, really cannot tell if trolling or retarded.

1v1=/=duelist. I repeat: 1V1 =/= DUELIST.

Dueling means going on a straight-out brawl and smacking each other with all possible sources of damage available to each other in a full-frontal attack. Running around trolling the enemy does not count as a duel.
Singed is not a duelist. He can run around, but his autoattacks don't do ****, and fling has too much of a cooldown. And Q only works with him facing backwards.
Malphite is NOT a duelist. Press QQQQQQQQ and kite.
Kennen... used to be a bottom ADC, but now, a hit-and-run mage. Not a duelist anymore.
EDIT: *AHEM* I feel like the line I deleted was a bit exhaggerated, so let's say this:

Leblanc, is more an assassin than a duelist, Malzahar can smack her ass hard. Ult away! And tell me why Leblanc would have QSS when she could have so much of a better item than that.

 
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if you guys are talking about 1v1 duelists
most of you forgot that WW and tryn are the best ones

if no items and 1v1
WW would win
If tryn has his ult
no way he would die in 1v1 (no items)

 
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JustMyBassCannon ?? Senior Member
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This has to be the most stupid comment I've read all week.

you go top 1vs1, you lose as Jax, "doesnt count you arent a duelist, just cuz ur standing in top lane doesnt mean anything"

fight him anywhere else, same champion(s) 1vs1, "doesnt count i lost in river, you arent a duelist"

"even though a duel means a one on one, you beat me one on one, doesnt count cuz my opinion says you arent a duelist, even though you have mechanics to win 1vs1"
You're a ****ing moron aren't you?

A 1v1 is a duel. A duelist is a champion built to duel. Malphite, Singed, Ryze and Kennen are not duelists, because their kits are not designed for explicit 1v1 combat. All of them have kits designed for team fights.

You CAN duel with them. That doesn't make them duelists. You CAN carry with Sona, that doesn't make her a carry. You CAN assassinate as Fiora, That doesn't make her an assassin.
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if you guys are talking about 1v1 duelists
most of you forgot that WW and tryn are the best ones

if no items and 1v1
WW would win
If tryn has his ult
no way he would die in 1v1 (no items)
Warwick would win a duel with no items? Okay. And Vayne would win a duel with full items. Your point?

Tryndamere with his ultimate might have a better chance at a duel, but considering he's not viable right now in the first place, he's not really going to win duels against anyone who knows what they're doing.

 
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if you guys are talking about 1v1 duelists
most of you forgot that WW and tryn are the best ones

if no items and 1v1
WW would win
If tryn has his ult
no way he would die in 1v1 (no items)
I wouldn't say "best"...

But yes. I should've noticed. Those two are some of the boss duelists I've seen out there. But WW still needs a buff.

 
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Achilis ?? Senior Member
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02-14-2013

A well played jayce can beat anyone 1v1

 
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Hetžer ?? Senior Member
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Ah, that's right. The old passive. The one that made Atma's broken... huehuehue. I remember now.

Anyways, Jax is still a nightmare when "squishy"(meaning no HP items built, except for Triforce). A Warmog's could be nice, but I still win 1v1s vs tanks due to the new sustain items. S3 may have been a bit ****, but Jax benefitted quite nicely. He is a counter to the tanky meta with BotRK in hand, too much sustain to die, even without tankiness. Who knew.

As for your last paragraph(s)

... I really, really cannot tell if trolling or retarded.

1v1=/=duelist. I repeat: 1V1 =/= DUELIST.

Dueling means going on a straight-out brawl and smacking each other with all possible sources of damage available to each other in a full-frontal attack. Running around trolling the enemy does not count as a duel.
Singed is not a duelist.
Malphite is NOT a duelist.
Kennen... used to be a bottom ADC, but now, a hit-and-run mage. Not a duelist anymore.
AND LEBLANC, IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD, IS NOT A DUELIST, SHE IS A FCKING ASSASSIN THAT CANNOT TAKE ON MALZAHAR.
dude you just made yourself into a hypocrite,

i said if anyone can beat someone 1vs1, thats a "duelist" in your opinion,
irelia
riven
olaf
garen
singed
ryze

are all strong matchups vs jax and should win vs him if they are equal skill level,

using your skills to your advantage is just that.

a ryze can easily go shot for shot vs a jax and win, your counter strike does nothing and ryze puts out more dps than you do, a jax needs to build momentum, Ryze does not.

Can ryze prison jax and stand face to face and let him hit him? sure, by would would you? you'd cast and kite, if jax leaps on, you'd prison move away and cast, while still weaving in auto attacks.

if you say ryze shouldnt be allowed to prison and regain distance, then thats like saying when Jax uses his stun, he isnt allowed to hit them, or if he does stun them, he has to move away.


and now to show that you're a hypocrite, you blah blah blah about how Jax can beat anyone..funny how you said ''anyone'' but restrict it to only people you find to be appropriate "duelists"..BUT then you go ahead and say "but I still win 1v1s vs tanks due to the new sustain items"

you win a 1vs1 vs tanks...tanks arent duelists according to you, so why the hypocrisy now? just to validate your biased point? that comment has nothing to do in here since, tanks arent duelist, its moot that you can kill them.

but people who can kill you, you say arent duelist, i love that flawed logic.

by your logic, since jax always wins,

anything that Jax CAN and DOES kill all those defeated people are duelists.

anyone that jax cannot kill or get killed by, is not a duelist.

love that flawed logic

also did i say singed will run 35miles while jax chases him to eventually die to poison? no

they both got sustain dmg, both innate tankyness, one gets AS+tanky stats with an ult, the other gets tenacity and tanky stats and move speed.

you got a stun, he has a fling, you cant do anything while stunned, you cant do anything while flinged, a singed can stand toe to toe with you, flinging you, weaving poison through you, with his ult on and do fair trades, you'd fall he would win all early and mid game, you'd have no late game.


and the fact you said leblanc cant kill a malzahar you're a joke, you think a mage just having a supress for an ult emans they auto win?
a QSS says hi , it makes malz a joke, thats why he ahs little ranked play.

Leblanc out ranges your Q silence and could out juke your Q silence and 3shot you before you could even ult, you;d be silenced.

and he was talking about malz being a burst mage, damage over time spells isnt burst, i think you two are the ******* tbh

 
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GioHG ?? Senior Member
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02-14-2013

Nobody said Elise, really?
I don't fear anyone while playing with her.
Her skill set counters every tactic:
Q is instacast and hp-based.
W follows the target.
E nice stun.
Spider form = 2 gap closers + steroids from hell.

 
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Hmmm, I'm thinking lets use some rules/guidelines for this; Only Auto-attacking I'm going to have to say Olaf or Tryndemere, maybe even Irelia.

 
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dude you just made yourself into a hypocrite,

i said if anyone can beat someone 1vs1, thats a "duelist" in your opinion,
irelia
riven
olaf
garen
singed
ryze

are all strong matchups vs jax and should win vs him if they are equal skill level,

using your skills to your advantage is just that.

a ryze can easily go shot for shot vs a jax and win, your counter strike does nothing and ryze puts out more dps than you do, a jax needs to build momentum, Ryze does not.

Can ryze prison jax and stand face to face and let him hit him? sure, by would would you? you'd cast and kite, if jax leaps on, you'd prison move away and cast, while still weaving in auto attacks.

if you say ryze shouldnt be allowed to prison and regain distance, then thats like saying when Jax uses his stun, he isnt allowed to hit them, or if he does stun them, he has to move away.


and now to show that you're a hypocrite, you blah blah blah about how Jax can beat anyone..funny how you said ''anyone'' but restrict it to only people you find to be appropriate "duelists"..BUT then you go ahead and say "but I still win 1v1s vs tanks due to the new sustain items"

you win a 1vs1 vs tanks...tanks arent duelists according to you, so why the hypocrisy now? just to validate your biased point? that comment has nothing to do in here since, tanks arent duelist, its moot that you can kill them.

but people who can kill you, you say arent duelist, i love that flawed logic.

by your logic, since jax always wins,

anything that Jax CAN and DOES kill all those defeated people are duelists.

anyone that jax cannot kill or get killed by, is not a duelist.

love that flawed logic

also did i say singed will run 35miles while jax chases him to eventually die to poison? no

they both got sustain dmg, both innate tankyness, one gets AS+tanky stats with an ult, the other gets tenacity and tanky stats and move speed.

you got a stun, he has a fling, you cant do anything while stunned, you cant do anything while flinged, a singed can stand toe to toe with you, flinging you, weaving poison through you, with his ult on and do fair trades, you'd fall he would win all early and mid game, you'd have no late game.


and the fact you said leblanc cant kill a malzahar you're a joke, you think a mage just having a supress for an ult emans they auto win?
a QSS says hi , it makes malz a joke, thats why he ahs little ranked play.

Leblanc out ranges your Q silence and could out juke your Q silence and 3shot you before you could even ult, you;d be silenced.

and he was talking about malz being a burst mage, damage over time spells isnt burst, i think you two are the ******* tbh
Sir, You've been downvoted quite a lot in this thread. Might just want to stop