imma go on and say warmogs cannot be OP, as the definition of OP is something that allows one team to get an unfair advantage over the other team with no work at all, ie.. for a time eve was OP and the team with her had easy wins, same with talon for a bit

warmogs CANNOT be OP, as both teams can build it, nullifying the advantage

thoughts?

if both sides HAVE to have it then unless its meant to be that way then yes its OP.

Warmogs is not usually necessary on both sides.

Assuming certain champions don't build Warmongs and gain different benefits from having it, yes you are correct. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Olaf benefits from Warmongs in a different way than, say, Irelia. While Olaf would gain a bigger pool of HP to keep his passive up, Irelia would need it to survive longer and nothing more. It's that disparity that people think is OP.

I don't think it's OP, mind you; I'm just making a counter argument. Warmongs isn't really as good as Randuin's Omen now, anyway, people are just so caught up on it to realize Randuin's Omen was massively buffed in S3.

Comparing warmogs to itself of course makes it look like its not overpowered, that argument does absolutely nothing.

You have to compare it to other items.

Yes cuz i build mogs on teemo and vayne

that's some impressive bull.

the game is healthy when there are COUNTERS. for a while, the only answer to warmogs was to have MORE warmogs. it's still problematic, but iirc they're shuffling things around.

warmogs is particularly problematic because there is no work-around. there is no circumstance where it won't provide you with some significant protection.

someone already mentioned that different champions benefit more from HP than others. what hasn't been mentioned is that larger health pools hose certain champs also.
Your typical AP mid has dps that drops sharply the more times they have to cast. if something like warmogs becomes mandatory, you have to either buff or abandon those champions.

on the otherhand it can hurt you.

Also there is no situation where rejuvenation bead can't provide you with some significant hp regen

No, because not all champions get the full benefit that warmogs offers. Since both teams rarely, and in ranked games never, have the same champions, clearly your observation is flawed. Champions like Olaf, Xin, Vi, Renekton, Jarvan and any bruiser with an inherent armor shred or %hp damage get a much larger benefit from HP items because they don't need items to deal damage. They can hit hard just fine on their own. ADCs have to build mad amounts of extremely expensive items to be able to hit hard, and then they're still squishy as h3ll. Since an ADCs inherent defense is small and their base HP table is small, they do not get the benefit warmogs offers to bruisers. Thus, warmogs is not balanced. Not even remotely.

rejuv beads provide no meaningful benefit in a team fight. if it takes 20seconds to kill someone who bought them, rejuv beads are hilariously ineffective compared to a health crystal in hp/gp.

warmogs is already more than cost efficient from the HP it gives you alone. the 1.5% (somewhere in the neighborhood of 6hp/s) is pure gravy

"And then people realized Randuin's is better because it punishes people for even touching them."