kinda ruins it for manaless heroes

spirit of the elder lizard could be so good on zed or shyvana but they gotta waste like 400g of stats for the mana regen

kinda not fair how mana champs have choice between spirit stone and madred but manaless are stuck with 1 option

oh no I spent like 150 gold on mp5 I can't use.

item ruined forever.

They are already strong junglers

Here is how I see it .

AD's that do **** AA damage ( Pantheon ) get spirit stone .
In the case of zed , his passive is pretty good , so why not go for madreds?

because you're not buying spirit of the lizard elder for its mana regen

If you're getting it for the mana regen, you're doing it wrong.

Because the benefits of buying the items outweigh the 180 gold you'd spend on a mana charm. People need to stop thinking "manaless can't buy anything with mana". When 5 of the 6 stats an item adds benefit you then just suck it up and buy it.

Hell, Shyvana is a beast with sheen even though it adds mana.

It way made to replace Philo in the jungle. Most manaless junglers already got Wriggle's anyway.

Honestly shy is probably better off with wriggles as she has no form of health sustain.

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Originally Posted by Wafflezlolqt why would you want wriggles on a champion that clears using abilities more than auto attacks