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Nyhilus ?? Senior Member
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11-15-2010

AP Sion is tank Sion. He just requires a solo lane to be worth anything. An AD Sion is a support.

Why? His shield has a great AP ratio, so if he farms and outlevels some of the lanes, his shield hurts like a *****. Also a ***** to kill.

His enrage gives him an infinite amount of health that can be farmed with his shield.

He also has a nice stun with a decent ratio.

So when Sion runs up to your team with his shield up, you won't be happy. Then he stuns your carry and proceeds to whack him/her, getting huge lifesteal for your entire team. Pretty sure that's going to disrupt a teamfight.

Oh, and if they don't focus you, your shield will take a huge chunk out of their lifebar.

So yes, Sion is a tank - he can disrupt opponents in teamfights and dish hard CC. Sure, he's not the main tank, but he is, or can be a very decent off-tank.

 
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Minrog ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Reaper3354 View Post
See, to me, Sion is as much a tank as Nunu is. In short, neither of them are tanks.

Final Summation: Rammus is a Tank.

TLDR: Learn what Tanks really are before you tell me or anyone that Nunu, Sion, and Singed are 'Tanks'.
Sion and Rammus both have 1 hard CC available to them. They both have the ability to absorb extra damage and they both have a native bonus to their raw attack damage. The only difference between these two is that Sion has a super AOE heal spell during team fights and Rammus has powerball.

If you call Rammus a tank, Sion should be listed there too.

 
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Whist ?? Senior Member
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Okay, Garen has no CC or initiation, and he can still tank like a boss.
he does have a fear though.

When he comes flying out of the bushes spinning and yelling DEMACIAAAAA the entire enemy team runs back.

 
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me2893 ?? Senior Member
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Okay, Garen has no CC or initiation, and he can still tank like a boss.
only if they're dumb enough to focus him. the only presence he has is charging the guy with 1/3 of his hp. Then he has presence for that one person.

As for sion, I don't play him and therefore don't pretend to know him

 
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Zonel ?? Senior Member
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>Lol at nid being a MELEE DPS
(perhaps in cougar form but come on.....)
She actually does a lott of burst damage in cougar form...

 
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DotEleven ?? Senior Member
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Did I say that's what makes a tank? Nope. Please learn some English before criticizing my post.
I wasn't talking to you and I happen to know English quite well considering I was born in America and speak it every day. I just have a nasty habit of placing comma's where they are unneeded.

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only if they're dumb enough to focus him. the only presence he has is charging the guy with 1/3 of his hp. Then he has presence for that one person.

As for sion, I don't play him and therefore don't pretend to know him
Are you kidding, Garen's also one of the ultimate **** blocker.

*You head for his squishy*
*Garen Silences you and Spins around keeping you off his squishy*

 
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Tyhan ?? Senior Member
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As mentioned above, Amumu has 2 stuns, one is a single target stun that's actually rather tricky to manipulate, and an AoE stun. This makes Amumu a pretty big threat given that if timed right, a fully stunned enemy team can go down fairly quickly. Even if the stun is 2 second long, that 2 seconds is 2 seconds in which nobody is doing ANYTHING. There are no heals passed around, no skills being fired off, no fleeing, absolutely nothing. Those 2 seconds can be exactly what your team needs to wipe the floor with their enemy.

Coupled with the stereotypical attributes that most if not all 'Tanks' possess, very high HP pool, heavy magic resistance, skill/spell negation, Amumu has the ability to be a very massive threat in a chaotic situation. Especially if geared right.
A. Amumu is a root that disables autoattacks. Any non-moving can still be used, including Janna and Galio ultimates, which is why those two are considered Amumu counters.

B. Amumu's base stats actually have him as like the squishiest melee in the game.

 
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Sion and Rammus both have 1 hard CC available to them. They both have the ability to absorb extra damage and they both have a native bonus to their raw attack damage. The only difference between these two is that Sion has a super AOE heal spell during team fights and Rammus has powerball.

If you call Rammus a tank, Sion should be listed there too.

Personally I stil don't see Sion as a Tank. I've played him, quite extensively. I feel he's more of a bruiser than he is a Tank. And in the end, from my experiences, when put side to side in a team fight, Amumu and Rammus take the lead in terms of 'Tank' rather than Sion. Every ability he has is more focused towards sustained damage, rather than ensuring that team fights swing YOUR way.


He has a single target Stun, yes, good, great. It might have a quick recharge but in a team fight, fight could be well and done with by the time you get the second, or even third stun off. And by then you've only stunned two separate people, and by the time the second stun goes out, the first ******* you stunned is out of it and back in action.

He has a shield, great. But it only blows up and deals damage when A) you trigger it, or B) it reaches it's 10 second mark. But guess what? 2 good quick whacks from ANYTHING skill related from just about any champion means the shield dies and no damage goes out. All in all I feel his shield is more damage focused than Tank focused, given the general strategy I've seen is to bush, cast shield, wait for a good time, then run in and pop it. Which basically makes the shield useless, as a shield.


And lastly he has a Team Heal. Great, but that doesn't save his ass if he gets focused. Sure it enables him and his team mates to last longer, possibly long enough to tear down any enemy carries foolish enough to still be around, but in the end it's more of a means of sustaining himself, so that he does more damage.


Hopefully you see where I'm getting with this.

 
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Okay, Garen has no CC or initiation, and he can still tank like a boss.
Last time I checked, silence is a form of CC.

And Sion can tank.

 
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Shashakiro ?? Senior Member
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AP Sion is similar to Rammus in terms of how "tank-like" his abilities are:

Rammus has a single-target disable (E). So does Sion (Q).
Rammus has an ability that makes him hard to kill (W). So does Sion (E, W).
Rammus has an AoE damaging ability (R). So does Sion (W).

Sion lacks Rammus's initiation or passive, though, and his corresponding abilities are much worse in terms of how well they can "tank". That's why he's usually considered an "off-tank": decidedly un-squishy, but does not fill a true tank role on a team.