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Udyr (again).

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cIedus ?? Senior Member
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12-08-2010

dude, you have no idea what's going to happen, let alone anything becoming a joke.

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Rarified Cutie ?? Senior Member
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12-08-2010

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If you're so adamant about guessing Udyr's Turtle stance will be a joke, how about seeing what the changes are?

I'm not changing turtle stance, the nerf on the items is plenty for Udyr. I don't know what everyone's spazzing out about :x
They're spazzing because they hate change, and because elementz told them so.
Either way, I like Udyr and his playstyle, but he just doesn't feel top-ELO Viable to me, in my opinion. But that's my opinion.

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Sinkpisser ?? Senior Member
12-08-2010

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If you're so adamant about guessing Udyr's Turtle stance will be a joke, how about seeing what the changes are?

I'm not changing turtle stance, the nerf on the items is plenty for Udyr. I don't know what everyone's spazzing out about :x
i remember you saying turtle stance's absorption was being nerfed.

p.s. what happened to all your posts in the tanky dps thread

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12-08-2010

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If you're so adamant about guessing Udyr's Turtle stance will be a joke, how about seeing what the changes are?

I'm not changing turtle stance, the nerf on the items is plenty for Udyr. I don't know what everyone's spazzing out about :x
We're spazzing because you said you were nerfing the toughness of some champions and then put Udyr in parentheses after you already said you were nerfing Locket and Spirit Visage. It made it sound like you didn't think the item nerfs were enough.

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12-08-2010

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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
If you're so adamant about guessing Udyr's Turtle stance will be a joke, how about seeing what the changes are?

I'm not changing turtle stance, the nerf on the items is plenty for Udyr. I don't know what everyone's spazzing out about :x
Nefing items to nerf champs is ******ed. Cause of few champions all will suffer. ******ED.

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Somafera ?? Senior Member
12-08-2010

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If you're so adamant about guessing Udyr's Turtle stance will be a joke, how about seeing what the changes are?

I'm not changing turtle stance, the nerf on the items is plenty for Udyr. I don't know what everyone's spazzing out about :x
You were the one who posted about nerfing his turtle stance.

And since when does he need a nerf?

"Tanky" dps is the problem that you guys created and its not always a champion specific problem.

You can't just nerf Udyr's survivability (its not that great anyway) and give him nothing in return and you can't make people play him as a pure dps unless he's designed as one (did you even check my suggestions?).

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Dzung ?? Senior Member
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12-08-2010

don't see any posts about nerfing turtle =/
closest i can find was this

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Hitting items that contribute to overly tough dudes - mostly Locket and Randuin's. Some small nerfs to the toughness of tanky champs with high bases (Malph, Gragas, Udyr).

We're not hurting melee damage for the mostpart - I can't think of any changes specifically targeted at this right now. We're mostly worried about guys who are too hard to kill and have too much threat at the same time, not melee damage or pure tanks.

There's also a lot going on this patch. Like, omg a lot.
anyone wanna point me in the right direction to find where he said turtle was getting nerfed?

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Somafera ?? Senior Member
12-08-2010

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We're buffing Tiger's a bit, and lowering raw survivability a little. If it's too much, we can bring him back up - he's pretty crazy right now.
Turtle is the only survivability tool he has, there's nothing else to nerf.

Buffing tiger? Tiger needs a rework, not a buff, Udyr doesn't work with AD builds, simple as that.

And how is he "pretty crazy" after 2 major nerfs (nobody used him anyway).


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Mostly the Locket/Randuin's stuff. We took a tiny bit off shield, but not Monkey's. The shield thing might not be needed if he can't get the amount of CDR we see on his items.
CDR affects everything, and once again, turtle stance is his only survivability tool, you also apparently forgot that he's a pure melee champion without a gap closer or a burst mechanic, oh and no ways to deal with CCs either.

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Sinkpisser ?? Senior Member
12-08-2010

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don't see any posts about nerfing turtle =/
closest i can find was this


anyone wanna point me in the right direction to find where he said turtle was getting nerfed?
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Mostly the Locket/Randuin's stuff. We took a tiny bit off shield, but not Monkey's. The shield thing might not be needed if he can't get the amount of CDR we see on his items.
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12-08-2010

From the Tanky DPS thread-

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To be clear, targeting locket and randuin's is the largest effect on Udyr. We're buffing Tiger and slightly (and I mean sliiiightly) taking a touch out of base on phoenix. Though, if you choose Tiger -> Phoenix in the new version, you will do more damage overall.
I don't understand why you're even doing this. I don't build AD on udyr, and I still won't after you change it. The only thing Tiger is good for is taking down towers, and even then it's a stretch to use it. Most Udyrs don't even get tiger until late game.

And like others have said, don't do anything to turtle. The only time Udyr was "crazy" was before his hotfix way back when. He is fine now, and nerfing locket and randuins is going to hit him hard. Quit overdoing it before you kill him completely.

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