You sound like a jackass, and a bully. You think you're cool because you understand more than most of your jackass friends, and are generally a successful person. But I still think you're a ******, and I bet most other people you meet do also, and you probably don't care.

Which makes you posting in a thread about SUPPORT heros humorously ironic. But I'm laughing at you, not with you.

Is it even an issue that support are amplifiers?

It's unfortunate but I think it's the nature of the beast. You get an unreliable team then your contribution is going to be variable. This is true for healers in WoW, Engineers in TF2, and pretty much any other kind of support I can think of. If your DPS stand in fire they die and no healing in the world saves them. If they don't cover your firebase your getting 20 spys up your tuckus as Engineer.

Maybe the best solution is to get more into a mindset of consolidating losses and backing off. Warning people your backing off as well? "Hey I can't keep supporting this mad push, I'm going to B, if you keep going you die alone". Sort of mindset.

Personally I think there's more meat to wondering about pure amplication supports like Soraka/Sona against "some amplification and a lot of pulling the fat out of the fryer" supports like Janna and Zil.

Of course I'm now starting to confuse myself. XD

I think currently supports do have two item path options. It depends highly on which character we are talking about though. For example, I prefer stacking AP on Zilean but that is not to say going a support item route such as Reverie's on Zilean is a bad thing at all. As far as Soraka goes it's really preference, I know some players who really enjoy going a tanky support route on Soraka, and some who really like going strait AP. Both routes have their place and excel at doing different things.

You just got downvotes, pal

That's Otaku 1 - Thread owner 0 on the marker.

Btw, yes. Karma is the best support character
Shield with a nice AoE damage. AoE base + missing hp % heal which also damages enemies. Speed boost OR enemy slower, which actually damages enemies that go through it too!.
And well, each spell go up to 6, and her ult has around 20 seconds CD.

Karma's speed is better. Take a look at how much movement speed an ulted spirit bond gives. And you can speed up your whole team with it, while slowing and damaging enemies too. (Janna's passive gives 3% global speed for teammates).
Karma has better sustained heals, too.

And i can keep going, but i'm so stupidly lazy.

I ninja'd that post, it makes more sense now, but recap: maybe pure amp supports should scale with how many heros are receiving buffs? I think this would be a good place to start. And I would prefer to have it work like this:

Sona's aura: 5x effect to self when alone.
4x effect to self when w/ 1 other hero, 1x effect to other hero
3x effect to self when w/ 2 other heros, 1x effect to each other hero... etc.

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I'm enjoying myself atm and that's enough reason to stick around. I have been told I should go into teaching before, but I'm well aware of the...pitfalls. My mother is one and I dealt with enough kids in school. ;P
I kind of want to get into game design, but I'd rather do a route in from...well Animation. Which I enjoy and haven't done enough of :/


Legitimacy. A key word for politics you are forgetting.

Legitimacy is life.

What it would have done is given her a platform for actually anaylizing your statements. Which is clearly what she was doing because she was responding to you and asking questions.

She could ignore you, give you a wall. NOTHING. She didn't.

Respecting that fact and giving her some meat to chew on instead of just bone would have been better.

Citing the players you mean could have allowed her to look into that players play history. Look at their wins with their item builds. Maybe contact them, talk to them, ask them why they are doing X or Y and LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT. It might even have put them on her radar to watch them play a game. "Note to self Watch XXXX play Soraka" to learn the style of play you are trying to argue for.

Instead giving her 0 to go on leaves her exactly where she is and that's TERRIBLE for your argument.

Politics works because in every audience your going to find a few idiots to listen and parrot for you.

For everything else you need legitimacy and evidence.

karma isnt the BEST support but she is better than soraka and sona right now. i would say she is up there with zilean and janna, but she requires a knowledgeable team and vent/teamspeak etc. to be truly good. while zilean and janna dont require your team to be as knowledgeable or organized.

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