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#1 Vlad Counter: Common Sense

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06-16-2011

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Exactly - now you're getting into exactly the types of things that bother me and I want to fix.

I think it's bad that our game encourages people to play this way. As the game matures, this becomes more common knowledge and the game will get stale. This is why this is a very big deal to fix, even though it will likely be pretty disruptive.
you can't fix it by nerfing wards and cv, higher elo players will naturaly play more defencively, the only way to fix it is by giving a HUGE reward for aggresive play stile, and not by nerfing defencive game aspects

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Let's use the "HE WAS BANNED AND PICKED IN THIS TOURNAMENT HE MUST BE OP!!!" defense. That's a good one. Of course this means you have to nerf every champ who was picked or banned regularly in the dreamhack qualifiers (many of the picks and bans were the same it wasn't just vlad). I personally think Morello just has a problem with vlad where as most good people don't. Unless he nerfs every frequently banned/picked champ from high level tournaments then I'm pretty sure I'm right.
So:
Vladimir
Amumu
Vayne
Twisted Fate
Zilean

With a special nod to Nunu for being the most won with.
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Haven't all of those except Amumu and Zilean been nodded at towards as "probably could use a nerf"?

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I'm curious, are there any other champs that were picked/banned every game? If so, they clearly qualify for nerfs too.
Didn't say "we're nerfing him solely because of this," I'm only challenging the argument that only bad players think Vlad is a problem by stating results of players better than us as a data point.

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So:
Vladimir
Amumu
Vayne
Twisted Fate
Zilean

With a special nod to Nunu for being the most won with.
Source:
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...d.php?t=797157


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Haven't all of those except Amumu and Zilean been nodded at towards as "probably could use a nerf"?
Yep

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Philosophy is existential thinking about theoretical subjects, and the discussion of those subjects for their own sake. Philosophy has nothing to do with data analysis and proofing.
Hence why there is a whole branch of philosophy dubbed logic?

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Ashe is just about the right level, maybe a dash too strong - this is mostly due to her toolset and a ranged initiation always being good. Her signature ability affords her a role on a team, especially where starting teamfights and securing kills is more rare.

Nunu is too strong because of a 40% spammable slow on a jungler with a speed buff and a great jungle speed. If jungle Nunu's Icebolt just did 1000 true damage, it would lead to the same results in 90% of laning gank cases
so ur nerfing nunu?

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Exactly - now you're getting into exactly the types of things that bother me and I want to fix.

I think it's bad that our game encourages people to play this way. As the game matures, this becomes more common knowledge and the game will get stale. This is why this is a very big deal to fix, even though it will likely be pretty disruptive.
but to encourage.. an agressive playstyle.. u must eliminate the ``jungle-idea`` from the entire game... i mean... how the hell can i act like nunu bot (pushpushpushpushpushpushpushpushpushpushpushpushp ushpushpushpushpushpushpushpushpushpushpushpushpus hpushpush) knowing i will get raped by their jungler as soon as i push my lane?

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you can't fix it by nerfing wards and cv, higher elo players will naturaly play more defencively, the only way to fix it is by giving a HUGE reward for aggresive play stile, and not by nerfing defencive game aspects
Not necessarily - because you become worth more gold as well. This means the risk/reward ratio isn't adjusted, just how much each action is worth. The best way to fix this is to add lane control mechanics (and reward being more aggressive in lane) and adjust jungling. Other changes will be built around supporting this.

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This appeared as a moral dilemma ‘cause at first it was weird though I swore to eliminate the worst of the plague that devoured humanity. It’s true I was vague on the “how” - so how can it be that you have shown me the light?

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the only way in which vlad is countered (from my experience) is to have Ashe mid and WW jungle. When they both hit lvl 6, just double ult vlad everytime their ults are up. Time WWs ult and Ashe's ult to have the maximum duration of disable. But ofcourse, this is done rarely and is an extreme measure.

Plus a Vlad with Ghost/Flash is ungankable = anti-fun

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