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Graogg ?? Senior Member
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06-27-2011

As an additional measure to weed out people who don't read tribunal cases before hitting punish, I propose that a few fake tribunal cases are thrown into the lot. The cases first game shown should be something that on the surface looks like an actionable offence, but a closer look reveals it as harmless. Then the rest of the games can be more obvious as pardonable.

Whenever anyone punishes said fake cases, a few things should happen:
-Tribunal voting weight should be severely decreased.
-An automated email is sent out on the next batch to inform the player about the problems of auto-punishing and informing them that repeated misuse of the system could lead to actions taken against their account.
-All cases reviewed by this player that day have this players vote invalidated.

A few notes to increase usefulness: The cases should have randomized elements (names, order of events, chat logs) to prevent quickly recognizing it as a fake case. There should be a large variety of cases.

Once Riot was reasonably sure players were actually reviewing cases, they could even increase IP rewards without worry of farmers coming in without contributing.

For those who complain about the popular opinion being wrong sometimes, this isn't a tool to change honest voters opinions on punishable offenses, this is to weed out those not even trying to review the cases. They could add in less obvious cases if they wanted to test the public's feelings on what is an actionable offense, but that is another can of worms all together.

tldr: Fake obviously-pardonable tribunal cases to weed out trolls/IP farmers.

 
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sdjaks ?? Senior Member
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06-27-2011

how would it be definitively "fake" though? it's all relative and there is no right or wrong judgement, only just what the majority decides on.

 
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Graogg ?? Senior Member
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how would it be definitively "fake" though? it's all relative and there is no right or wrong judgement, only just what the majority decides on.
There is a finite list of possible offenses in the terms of service. If the case contains none of these elements, then it should not be punished. After the first game in the case (or even the first one to be extra sure) the games could be ridiculously obvious as pardonable. The idea is to weed those out who don't read the chat logs or look at actual stats or what is reported.

 
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RJJ7 ?? Senior Member
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06-27-2011

Here's how it could be fake:

9 players report the person for verbal harassment/offensive language. They can even have emphatic and colorful reports submitted. Reading the chat logs reveals that everybody had a great time, there were no insults thrown around, the reported player gave helpful advice and was thanked for it, etc.

Wouldn't fool anyone who was looking at the chat logs for a moment, but those who just go to another tab for a minute, come back and hit "punish" before repeating would get weeded out real quick.


I would support this idea, but do not know how much effort it would take coding.

 
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IndecisivePlayer ?? Senior Member
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06-27-2011

There ARE right and wrong calls and if the majority pick the wrong one the majority is wrong.

Saying you're right because you're a majority is fallacious - argumentum ad populum.


That said this is an excellent idea and should be implemented as soon as possible.

 
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sdjaks ?? Senior Member
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There ARE right and wrong calls and if the majority pick the wrong one the majority is wrong.

Saying you're right because you're a majority is fallacious - argumentum ad populum.


That said this is an excellent idea and should be implemented as soon as possible.
But in most instances that will decide what happens to the player, thus confirming the majority as being "right."

 
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Graogg ?? Senior Member
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I would support this idea, but do not know how much effort it would take coding.
Coding would be quite simple. The bulk of the work would be in actually creating subtle pardonable cases. Then simply add a random name generator + random offence generator (40 lines of code) and a flag to the case file and voila: troll/IP farmer problem fixed.

 
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IndecisivePlayer ?? Senior Member
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06-27-2011

Riot reviews all punishments made by the Tribunal, or so they say. I don't care if the system is broken and the majority can self-govern itself, it doesn't mean it's right.

Person A: 1+1=3
Person B: 1+1=3
Person C: 1+1=3

You: That's perfectly fine.

 
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Shockwave ?? Senior Member
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06-27-2011

What makes you think there aren't already?

 
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Quantumprophecy ?? Senior Member
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06-27-2011

It's not a bad idea, but I don't get why everyone thinks the only people who do tribunal are those that just sit there and hit punish. What proof do you have that this is happening on a large basis? Even if 75% of forum posters claim they do it, that's still not a majority of players as a whole because forum posters make up a minority.

As for implementing it, I don't think Riot needs to randomly generate a ton of these. Just hand craft a few of them every couple of weeks. Shouldn't be to hard.