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I look like a feeder, but I'm not

 
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JohnADreams ?? Senior Member
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07-07-2011

I don't think you're going to be able to prove this by math. There's just too many factors because the enemy team grouped will probably be able to beat your team 4-grouped.

-Is the enemy forcing team fights with the rest of your team at a disadvantage and is this costing your team a significant amount of kills/deaths?
-Would you being in the team fight significantly improve your teams kills/deaths in teamfights? (there are successful ways to play melee dps in teamfights, although stuns/AoE spells hurt them more than most it is not impossible)
-Would you be able to get those towers anyway after successful teamfights? Or would you be able to get those towers with other tactics?
-Is the enemy taking advantage of baron/dragon when you're away from the group?

I'm not saying backdoor yi doesn't have his place, and it's definitely not a punishable offense, but there's too many factors to say you're definitely positively contributing every game.

 
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Wildknight ?? Junior Member
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07-07-2011

this thread needs locked. it's obvious now this boothands character is just trolling. his last 4 or 5 "evidence" posts don't provide any argument for him wanting turret tracking. they are just talking about his win and how he made the other team/his team mad.

 
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Roger Barbossa ?? Senior Member
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07-07-2011

i dun think that you are a feeder because of the fact that you killed all11 towers, I think that if the tribunal system can show the numbers of towers/inhibitors a player destroyed during his game-time, it could really help for judgments, fact(numbers of towers destroyed) speak for its own

 
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ComeOnAndSlamJam ?? Member
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07-08-2011

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Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
Wrong. How many people are killing you? Each assist also gives gold to the assistee. Not arguing against backdoor as a tactic, but your "math" was inaccurate.





As I've stated before, if you know that your team can't win a teamfight, with or without you there, then backdoor is a very viable tactic. But if your team would win a teamfight with your presence, then it's better for you to be there... since you could push towers that much faster once you ace their team.
Even with assists, my team is going to come out ahead in backdooring. The fact that long death streaks result in 15g was a huge stealth buff to bdooring. Now, for most of the game, if I kill your turret, my team gets a global 150g. If you and your entire team somehow assist in killing me, you guys all get less gold than you would get from a minion kill.

 
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ComeOnAndSlamJam ?? Member
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07-08-2011

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Originally Posted by JohnADreams View Post
I don't think you're going to be able to prove this by math. There's just too many factors because the enemy team grouped will probably be able to beat your team 4-grouped.

-Is the enemy forcing team fights with the rest of your team at a disadvantage and is this costing your team a significant amount of kills/deaths?
-Would you being in the team fight significantly improve your teams kills/deaths in teamfights? (there are successful ways to play melee dps in teamfights, although stuns/AoE spells hurt them more than most it is not impossible)
-Would you be able to get those towers anyway after successful teamfights? Or would you be able to get those towers with other tactics?
-Is the enemy taking advantage of baron/dragon when you're away from the group?

I'm not saying backdoor yi doesn't have his place, and it's definitely not a punishable offense, but there's too many factors to say you're definitely positively contributing every game.
If you expect me to be "positively contributing in every game" then you are holding bdoor Yi to a much higher standard than you'd hold other archetypes. Not everybody does well every game. Sometimes, I have a complete fail of a game. Bdoor Yi works best when my team can defend mid pretty well. If my team can't hold, it gets much slower, as I spend about 1/2 of my time avoiding ganks.

Also, my team is not gimped into a 4v5 teamfight, because enemy teams always assign one or two people to play goalie against me, or they lose very fast. I've won a game before in the span of time it took my team to lose a teamfight. A Cait came back, just in time to see me last hit her nexus and it was GG even though I was the only one on my team still alive.

 
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07-08-2011

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this thread needs locked. it's obvious now this boothands character is just trolling. his last 4 or 5 "evidence" posts don't provide any argument for him wanting turret tracking. they are just talking about his win and how he made the other team/his team mad.
The screencaps show that I look like a feeder, but I'm not because I get a bunch of turrets...

That's sort of the point of the thread, that backdoorers look like they are feeding if you don't show tower kills...

You are either a really good troll, or a really dumb person and I legitimately can't tell which. You should either feel ashamed or elated, pending which you are.

 
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LadyLothiriel ?? Senior Member
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07-08-2011

I agree with the main argument that we need more information e.g. the tower kills, to be better able to judge certain situations.

That being said, there are better threads about this fact than this one, providing conclusive arguments without being so sickeningly self-congratulatory.

Let's say I would get reports for all of those many games for which you provided screenshots. I would hear complaints about "not communicating with team", "intentionally feeding" or even "negative attitude". Even without the tower statistics, I suppose I would notice very quickly that you were not in fact intentionally feeding.

I would start reviewing those games and find that you DID ignore blatantly the requests of your team, that you DID think it's all about your one-man bd-ing show and that maybe you DID NOT even try to argue your case that bd-ing was a viable and useful alternative in that specific scenario.

Maybe then it's not the report for intentionally feeding that will make me think about that "punish" button. Teamplay IS a major part of the game AND the summoners code.

 
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Capt Crunk ?? Senior Member
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07-08-2011

For justice

 
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TehTomberry ?? Junior Member
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07-08-2011

Sure more info would be appreciated in the tribunal from what I have seen (Im still like 1.5k xp off 30, just read these forums alot lately) but theres only so much that can be given.

IMO the biggest issue is the term feeder, its used far too much and far too easily. I am in mid and get 3v1 ganked 3-4 times because there are no MIA calls and they avoid my wards/traps/Im on low health and suddenly Im a feeder, we are all in mid and go to push, Im running up and suddenly its a 5v2 not a 5v5 because only one other person committed and suddenly Im a feeder, I have a bad day or lane against a champion I cant counter with the champ Im playing and suddenly Im a feeder. The term is used far too much, sure there are some people who intentionally feed (6 pairs of boots for example), but people ask everyone in /all chat to report you as a feeder when its legit deaths, its not like you just run up and stand there to die most of the time.

That being said, LoL IS a team game, what Im seeing is low to no kills with deaths and no assists just to push towers. If you play only to back door you are basically setting your team up for a 4v5 all the time, theres little to no way that you arent getting kills/assists in the laning phase if you are actually trying. Especially as Yi as his ultimate is so good for mobility, chasing and escaping and simply DPSing champs down. If you are consistently getting 0 kills and not even trying to take on champs, then yeah, I would say you need to be punished or something. Playing a game just to BD is selfish, you may get alot of towers and maybe even win the game but by doing so you are putting 4 other players at a constant disadvantage, Im assuming letting them die alot and pissing them off, its not fun 4v5ing if someone is AFK, it is even more annoying if its 4v5 because someone wont participate or is off doing their own thing.

Basically, sure BD all you want, but you shouldnt neglect everything else just to do so, its a team game and honestly in 20+ minutes theres no way you arent going to be near a fight of some sort and not get a kill/assist.

 
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ComeOnAndSlamJam ?? Member
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07-09-2011

Bumping with another bdoor Yi victory. The enemy team was hardcore scrubs, but it was still a fun game. I went 0/3/1, and got 7 structures, 2 of which were inhibitors.