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@RIOT Vlad has a skill break, and it's killing the community.

 
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Nutarama ?? Senior Member
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07-05-2011

Ok, so the community is currently split on Vlad - some people say that he's OP, some say that he's UP. I'd like to offer some analysis on this phenomenon. (I know that downvotes and upvotes for this thread will come from both parties, but I will try to be as factual as possible.)

FACTS:

  • Vlad has a poor early game.
  • Vlad can be shut down early.
  • Vlad, when shut down early, is not a threat.
  • If Vlad has a good early game, he is a very large threat.
  • It requires a specific working knowledge of Vlad to shut him down early.

From these facts we can garner an analysis:

High-level or experienced players have both the knowledge and the skill to shut Vlad down in his early game. Therefore, one who plays Vlad against these players will complain about him being underpowered.

Lower level players or those who haven't played against Vlad often do not have the knowledge to be able to defeat Vlad in the laning phase. Therefore, he hits his peak quickly and starts ripping apart his enemies. These players will complain about Vlad being overpowered.

In conclusion: Vladimir's play is nearly as binary as the play of stealth champions. As you have acknowledged this and are proceeding with a re-work of stealth and those champions who use it, I strongly suggest you look into Vladimir.

 
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Katoobnyne ?? Senior Member
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07-05-2011

+1

Having a champion who's OP at low ELOs and UP at high ELOs is not "balance".

 
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Wolfhyrr ?? Senior Member
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07-05-2011

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+1

Having a champion who's OP at low ELOs and UP at high ELOs is not "balance".
its called pubstompers, katarina says hi

 
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vynzs ?? Senior Member
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07-05-2011

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In conclusion: Vladimir's play is nearly as binary as the play of stealth champions. As you have acknowledged this and are proceeding with a re-work of stealth and those champions who use it, I strongly suggest you look into Vladimir.
They're reworking stealth because it creates a very passive gameplay on the 3 lanes. Your conclusion is flawed.

 
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aSPan1EATkKzuKRT ?? Member
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07-05-2011

People who say Vlad is UP are all crying about the 1 second cd "nerf" on him.

Oh boo hoo 1 second, Cry me a Cleaver.

 
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KudoKou ?? Senior Member
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07-05-2011

Vlad doesn't work that way. Sorry, your hypothesis is cleanly refuted by the number of Vlad bans at Dreamhack. Try again another day.

 
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rangerike1363 ?? Senior Member
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07-05-2011

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People who say Vlad is UP are all crying about the 1 second cd "nerf" on him.

Oh boo hoo 1 second, Cry me a Cleaver.
Couple that with all the other nerfs he's taken basically every third patch or so and that 1 second really hurts. I still play him, and play him very well (could be because I don't go spell vamp...hmm) Anyways, I think Katoobnyne says it well. The instant you know how to shut Vlad down, he becomes a wasted team slot. It's not like he can become like an Annie bot and just stun everyone and run. As a mage his nuking ability is pretty low and his only CC comes from his pool and Rylai's and you don't use his pool to slow anyways. Bottom line, I think Vlad need balancing so that whether you are high elo or low elo, he is a good choice and is not either a pubstomper or useless.

 
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Virishii ?? Senior Member
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07-05-2011

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Originally Posted by Nutarama View Post
Ok, so the community is currently split on Vlad - some people say that he's OP, some say that he's UP. I'd like to offer some analysis on this phenomenon. (I know that downvotes and upvotes for this thread will come from both parties, but I will try to be as factual as possible.)

FACTS:
  • Vlad has a poor early game.
  • Vlad can be shut down early.
  • Vlad, when shut down early, is not a threat.
  • If Vlad has a good early game, he is a very large threat.
  • It requires a specific working knowledge of Vlad to shut him down early.

From these facts we can garner an analysis:

High-level or experienced players have both the knowledge and the skill to shut Vlad down in his early game. Therefore, one who plays Vlad against these players will complain about him being underpowered.

Lower level players or those who haven't played against Vlad often do not have the knowledge to be able to defeat Vlad in the laning phase. Therefore, he hits his peak quickly and starts ripping apart his enemies. These players will complain about Vlad being overpowered.

In conclusion: Vladimir's play is nearly as binary as the play of stealth champions. As you have acknowledged this and are proceeding with a re-work of stealth and those champions who use it, I strongly suggest you look into Vladimir.
It requires specific early knowledge of almost any champ to shut them down, except in the cases of Annie and Anivia theres nothing to be done.

vladimir is so weak now that he's practically support dps but he doesnt help his team with much at all and has no CC

 
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Virishii ?? Senior Member
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07-05-2011

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Vlad doesn't work that way. Sorry, your hypothesis is cleanly refuted by the number of Vlad bans at Dreamhack. Try again another day.
and then he sucked.... plus that was pre patch....

 
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iOnFire ?? Senior Member
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07-06-2011

i dont get why ppl QQ about his pool, it cost 20% and is not as effective as other escapes skills like, trynd dash, ezr or kass teleport, LeBlanc dash, almost any dash skill is more effective at escaping than vlad pool.